Testimonials from individuals with Empty Nose Syndrome as a result of Turbinate reduction or Septumplasty (125)

These testimonials are taken from Syndrome dunezvide.com . A patient association in France for those who suffer from Empty Nose Syndrome as a result of nasal surgery. Each heading is linked to the original article, which in most cases is written in French. The text is translated using ChatGPT.

The testimonies give a clear picture of how serious this condition is. The most common operations behind the condition are various types of operations on the respiratory organs of the nose: Nasal turbinates , as well as surgery on the nasal septum. There are also ENS affected patients who have undergone other types of surgery, such as sinus surgery or cosmetic surgery of the nose, although it is not as common that these surgeries result in Empty Nose Syndrome.

Operations that destroy the nasal mucosa and nerves and which at the same time remove the natural resistance in the nose can in many cases lead to shortness of breath, hyperventilation, sleep disorders etc. and all this causes enormous suffering for the individual, life is shattered. By reading the testimonies below, you quickly realize how affected the affected individuals are. It is also realized that many individuals had signed up for nasal septum surgery but at the same time had their turbinates partially or fully amputated.

In recent years, many suicides have been recorded after these types of operations. At the time of writing, there are approximately 45-50 suicides registered, which is probably the tip of an iceberg as these cases are only those registered in two English-language Facebook groups for Empty Nose syndrome.

If you want to see memorial videos for these individuals, follow this link: https://ensmemorial.blogspot.com

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ENS Testimony from Maria (Belgium ) 6 November 2021

Hello everyone, My name is Maria, I was born with a congenital malformation that led to an operation with extensive medical follow-up and thus a complete trust in healthcare. From this disability, although I don't really like that word, I have gained a strength. I never complained despite the violent pains, I was under treatment with Rivotril. Since this medication did not suit me, the specialist said that I should try another treatment to relieve my pain and avoid becoming like a "zombie". In short, I managed to put up with all this after all.

My problems started the day I decided to consult an ENT doctor with my partner, for aesthetic reasons because I didn't like my nose. I want to point out that I never had breathing problems, everything was fine. I just wanted a nose without a lump to feel better in my own skin. During the consultation, the ENT doctor did an endoscopic examination and diagnosed a deviation in the nasal septum, he suggested straightening my nasal septum, removing the bump on my nose and raising the tip of the nose. He added that this surgery would be covered by my insurance. I was overjoyed with what he offered, finally I would no longer have the nose I hate, and at no cost to me! I moved on, not realizing how naive I was.

Second visit: rhinomanometry, the ENT doctor told me to carefully save the results in case insurance asked for them, which I did. I asked if I needed to have a scan or x-ray before surgery. He replied that it was not necessary and that he did not need all that. He never mentioned that he would touch my turbinates, only that he would adjust my nasal septum and fix the aesthetic part of my nose.

I accepted the operation. On the day of the surgery, I didn't feel well. I came to the hospital with a fever, the nurses kept taking my values, they were troubled and had a strange expression. I, naive as I was, said it was probably due to stress. (I was an hour away from home, I had to sleep there, alone, because no one could be present due to covid). Before I entered the operating room, the anesthesiologist took my temperature again. I really started to get scared, deep inside I had that little voice that kept saying, "Maria, get out of here" but you know what happened, because I'm here telling my story... I was dizzy, I got a Xanax just before to calm me down, and my ENT doctor came to calm me down by stroking my hand. I will never forget his gesture or his face which haunts me even today after six months.

The operation didn't hurt, but the big tampons in my nose together with the fever were hard to bear , it was really not a fun experience. Fortunately, I got to go home the next day. The ENT doctor put me on Augmentin and asked me to come back four days later. That's when my nightmare started, symptoms like sore throat, phlegm cough, frontal pain and body aches appeared . Despite the rinses, nothing came out.

My GP put me on antibiotics (I was on antibiotics five times in four months). And there, miraculously, the antibiotic worked: thick, sticky bloody mucus came out of my nose. It was so compact that I pulled it out with my fingers like pulling a string. I thought I was finally getting some rest, but I started getting thick, yellow, sticky mucus that was constantly running down my throat . My GP did a mucus test which showed Pseudomonas Aeruginosa. Since this was not normal, we requested the surgery report, and when I read it, I was shocked: it said "bilateral turbinoplasty" .

I went back to the ENT and asked if he had touched my turbinates? He said no at first, and when I insisted he said yes, he had done a cauterization, and then he drew a picture to explain, saying it was to make the clams symmetrical. He had thus performed this surgical act without informing me, without my approval and without my knowledge!

I joined a group for Empty Nose Syndrome, many reassured me, but deep down I feel that my nose is no longer the same, it has become dry. I don't have the same breathing, I get short of breath on exertion or just cleaning, and the thick mucus is still present. I have difficulty sleeping.

Since then I have been on sedation and I have resumed Rivotril for my pain. I had a scan that my doctor ordered and there, to my surprise, I found that there was only a small stump left on the right side and that the left side looked fine. I posted this scan in the group. I was told that the ENT doctor had not cauterized but cut out the concha, while he kept claiming and even promising that he had not cut it out! Another lie!

I go back to him with the scan results and there I feel like I'm witnessing a comedy. He assures that everything is fine, brings in an endoscopic camera and dares to say that my turbinates are still there, that I have to drink a lot of water and swallow my mucus, and above all he had the guts to say that my turbinates have already grown back! I am speechless, stunned by his lies and bad faith. He missed his calling: he should have become an actor or a magician!

Not only that this quack has mutilated my nostrils, with all that that entails. It's hard to describe how this affects me on a daily basis. It's not just the pain and discomfort, but also the mental burden of knowing this could have been avoided. I feel let down by a doctor I trusted, and this has created a huge sense of distrust towards the entire healthcare system .

I hope that my story can serve as a warning to others and that no one else has to go through what I have experienced. It is important that you are informed and that doctors are transparent about what happens during an operation.

Finally, I want to say that I continue to search for solutions and treatments to relieve my symptoms and improve my well-being. Thank you for listening to my story.

Kind regards, Maria

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Testimonial by Luc (France) November 3, 2021

Hello everyone, My name is Luc, and my problems with my nose started five years ago when I was forty-one years old. Before that I had never had any problems with my nose or sinuses. I swam regularly, ran and dived (level 4), and I wanted to become an instructor. I have undergone two endonasal surgeries.

Five years ago I had sinusitis followed by the flu. I was treated for two years with ineffective courses of antibiotics, corticosteroid spray and nasal irrigation, but nothing helped. After a scan, my ENT doctor diagnosed pansinusitis and bilateral nasal polyposis. He suggested a septoplasty because I had a deviation to the right, and assured me that it was nothing serious, that I would breathe better afterwards, and that it would stop my sinusitis.

First endonasal surgery: Septoplasty (September 2018):

I underwent the operation. The result was disastrous. My right side feels too open . A significant posterior flow occurred, forcing me to spit up all day. I wake up at night to spit because mucus gets stuck in my throat. I feel like I'm drowning.

I went back to the surgeon, who did not take my concerns seriously and sent me on to his assistant who prescribed an ineffective corticosteroid spray for two months. I consulted the ENT again, who made it clear that I was bothering him, and said that his work was well done and that my symptoms were probably due to my anxiety.

I met with other ENT doctors. They all said that my septum was straight, that I had inflammation of the lining on the right side, visible on nasofibroscopy, which was causing the flow, that my sinuses were no longer blocked, but they also noted that the polyps were still there.

I was referred to a well-known professor of ENT. After negative tests and ineffective topical treatments with sprays for over a year, the professor suggested a total bilateral ethmoidectomy, the only operation he believed could resolve my posterior flow. He assured me that the operation would not worsen the flow, that I was young and that it would be a shame not to carry it out. I pointed out again that the examination showed that the inflammation of the nasal mucosa on the right side remained after the septoplasty.

Second endonasal surgery: Total bilateral ethmoidectomy with bilateral turbinectomy of the middle turbinates (September 2020):

I accepted the operation. After a slight improvement in the first six months, today, one year after the operation, it is much worse than before. The flow on the right side is constant and thicker, it flows profusely and the discharge is white, sticky and thick. I feel that there is even more space in my nose, and I have the impression that I do not feel the air passing.

On the post-op scan, I discovered to my horror that the professor had removed my middle turbinates, and that he had performed a bilateral middle turbinectomy at the same time as the ethmoidectomy without informing me. However, he had specifically said before the operation that he would not touch the turbinates.

I went back to him. He said he doesn't understand why the flow hasn't stopped, that it should have. I then asked him about the removed middle turbinates and whether there is a risk of Empty nose syndrome. He got annoyed and said I need to stop reading nonsense on the internet, that the middle turbinates have no function and that they hadn't touched my lower turbinates. He added: "I don't know what you have, but you don't have Empty Nose Syndrome. "

This is where I am now, my nights are difficult with many awakenings, I no longer do any sports, and I have no social activities anymore. I feel handicapped, I breathe badly, I no longer have the deep breaths I used to have. It burns in the nose. I spit white and thick mucus all day and night too.

At work it is also very difficult in this condition. I see no possibility of career development or change of position. I feel people mocking me behind my back for snoring or spitting. It is difficult to imagine a retraining.

I recently take anti-anxiety medication to cope. I have lost weight, I have lost interest in all activities. I snore constantly, it flows all the time. Sometimes I hyperventilate without realizing it. I'm not living anymore, I'm surviving. I feel disabled. I feel like I've been mutilated. My life has been ruined. My girlfriend is suffering from seeing me like this. My parents, who are seventy-five years old, also find it difficult to see me in this state.

So, I want to say to all of you, if you don't have cancer, never operate on your nose or your sinuses. If you have sinusitis, keep it, it's better than anything else. A crooked nasal septum? Keep it too.

ENT doctors will say, "It's nothing, it's a harmless operation," and if it doesn't go well, they'll say you're anxious and it's all because of that, even if you only became that way after the operations. Then you will notice that when something goes wrong, they want to get rid of you. You quickly understand that the person you trusted and to whom you entrusted such an important organ as your nose, does not want to see you anymore. They don't care about lawsuits, they're long, they have insurance and it's hard to prove anything.

One last thing, only those who have a similar course can understand. Our friends, our surroundings don't understand us, it's hard. My first surgery hurt me, and the second one by this professor ended the havoc.

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Testimonial from Nathalie (France) May 21, 2021

On March 8, 2021, I was operated on for nasal polyps ("complete filling of left ethmoidal-frontal sinus and right ethmoidal") by Doctor R, ENT doctor in Marseille. This ENT doctor performed a "total bilateral ethmoidectomy, a meatotomy with a wide opening of the maxillary sinus, a cauterization of the inferior turbinate and the root of the middle turbinate, and a septoplasty." That's what my surgery report says.

When I got the report I was horrified and dismayed that the surgeon had performed five surgeries for nasal polyps . He had never informed me in advance that the surgery would be so invasive and that he would be doing all this.

Since the operation I have had a lot of difficulty breathing and it is worse than before. I suffer from severe headaches. My nose burns and is very dry. I don't breathe normally anymore. Every time I return to the ENT doctor he says that "apart from some scabs, he doesn't see anything that prevents me from breathing, that I'm probably stressed and that it's psychological", but I know that these symptoms are a result of the surgery and that it is not imagination.

I have spent hours on the internet trying to understand what is happening to me and I have discovered Empty nose syndrome, your association and your group.

I am aware that my surgery is relatively recent and that final healing takes a long time with endonasal surgery (between six to eight months, up to a year) before definitive conclusions can be drawn, and that I must be patient.

I am hoping that these symptoms are related to the healing and will go away with time, but I am concerned because this ENT doctor performed a reduction of the inferior turbinate and middle turbinate.

I am now very afraid of suffering from the consequences of endonasal surgery and/or Empty nose syndrome, this iatrogenic disease that develops after endonasal surgery or operations on the lower and/or middle turbinate, or in patients who have undergone multiple operations. Nathalie

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Testimonial from Guillaume (France) April 14, 2021

Since childhood, I have had a crooked nasal septum. I always had one nostril blocked with what I later learned was alternating rhinitis, meaning the blocked nostril switched sides several times during the day. This phenomenon is due to the swelling of the lower turbinates in an alternating manner. I thought, wrongly, that it would give me more comfort to have both nostrils open at the same time and that it was only necessary to "correct" the nasal septum to achieve this extra comfort.

I made an appointment with the family ENT doctor who confirmed that my nasal septum was crooked and that I would benefit from surgery. He sent me on to a specialist in a hospital in Paris for this operation. The specialist at the hospital received me and said he would operate on me. He did not suggest any medical treatment in advance and gave me no other options without describing the planned surgery. I'm not entirely sure of my memory since it was a long time ago, but it seems he mentioned removing the nostrils. When I asked what they are for, he replied that they are of no use. I therefore imagined that it was a very small thing, like an insignificant piece of cartilage because they have no function. I thought I would have time to get a second opinion before surgery, but I was remiss on that point.

At the beginning of August I went on holiday abroad and still hadn't seen another ENT doctor. I thought I would have confidence in the medicine and I looked forward to having both nostrils open at the same time. I came home from vacation and was going to the hospital that evening. In those days there were no smartphones to check information on the internet and the internet connection at my parents was very slow, pages sometimes took an hour to load! Therefore, I hadn't checked the internet and didn't have it reflexively at the time. I didn't take the time to seek a second opinion.

I came to the hospital and asked to see the ENT doctor to ask questions, but I was told that I could ask them the next day in the operating room because he was not there. It was still possible to pull out at the last minute, but since I hadn't had any bad experiences with the medication, I figured they knew what they were doing. Still, I worried that I didn't really know what to do. I didn't have the opportunity to ask any questions because I was sedated the very next day. Upon awakening I spat blood and filled several containers with blood. The ENT doctor said I had a bleed. Contrary to what I had expected from this surgery, which I thought would be simple, I came home the same day with packing in my nose and intense fatigue that lasted for several days.

After the packing was removed I noticed that the air passed through my nose much more easily, but very quickly I noticed a change in my sense of smell, with strange and altered smells. Also, I felt the nasal cycles become chaotic as if the turbinates were trying to swell but since they were gone, it gave very strange sensations in the nose. And above all, huge crusts formed all the time, as big as the turbinates that had been removed.

Over time, the crusts decreased, but not completely. I thought these side effects were temporary, but after eighteen months it had not improved, on the contrary, I experienced more and more dryness. I went to a specialist and that's when I realized that all the lower turbinates had been removed (a radical bilateral turbinectomy). The ENT doctor said it should never have been done.

From that moment I felt completely vulnerable to amputation. I started having anxiety attacks and depression and had to seek help and take anti-depressants to deal with this disability. Other symptoms appeared like shortness of breath, a feeling of paradoxical obstruction and above all burning sensations in the nose when the air passed, the feeling of too much air coming in, a feeling of emptiness and hyperventilation.

I lost my job because I was completely exhausted and spent time in a psychiatric clinic. After a few months, thanks to treatment and antidepressants, I eventually began to recover emotionally. I breathe through my mouth because breathing through my nose is too painful.

I have seen Dr. Houser in the US who suggested an Alloderm transplant, but I decided to take time to think because I was afraid that my situation would worsen with another operation. I have since experienced more severe depressive relapses, including one right now with dark thoughts.

I have applied for compensation with the CCI (a form of conciliation procedure) which ruled in my favor by stating that there was a lack of operational indication decision. Nevertheless, the compensation is symbolic in my eyes because my disability is permanent and the impact on my professional life is very great. I work on a budget and in step with my crises.

Today I am considering doing hyaluronic acid injections and seeing if the benefit achieved would allow for an implant, but I am unsure if the implant should be cartilage, tricalcium phosphate, Alloderm or something else. Guillaume

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Experience and despair (Témoignage de Claire, France)
March 30, 2021, written by SNVP, published in #Témoignages

Hello, Unfortunately I discovered your association too late; the damage is already done. I underwent a first surgical operation in January 2019 with Dr. L otolaryngologist and facial surgeon in Neuilly.

The purpose of the surgery was to lower the nose to correct a lip opening problem. After examination, the otolaryngologist also diagnosed an oblique nasal septum. Until that day, I had never had any ear-nose-throat problems. My last cold was almost 20 years ago. He also took the opportunity to completely reshape the nose (removal of the bump).

I was surprised to read in the surgery report that, without informing me, he had performed a turbinectomy (resection of the turbinates) in addition to the septum and rhinoplasty work. During the following year I had breathing problems but also problems with my lip.

New surgery in February 2020 to correct both problems: Lifting of the "upper lip" by drilling out the bridge of the nose to push it back and reduction of the nasal turbinates with laser.

After the packing was removed I had a terrible feeling of an empty nose with the inability to breathe naturally, this was for about 30 minutes before the nose partially blocked with blood clots.

The situation was relatively stable for a year (apart from the impossibility of wearing a mask) but worsened sharply at night (January 2021): the nose was completely blocked in one nostril with alternating blockage depending on the position and a sudden loss of pressure during inhalation and exhalation both day and night.

Insomnia due to suffocation. Since then, these symptoms have worsened.

I went back to see the doctor, but he hides the truth by making a wrong diagnosis: chronic allergic rhinitis. He prescribed a cortisone spray which of course I didn't use. I have none of the symptoms described for this type of illness.

I am lost, exhausted with fatigue. I only sleep for short periods of 1.5 hours, a total of 3 to 5 hours per night. I won't be able to last much longer like this.

By reading your blog I see few solutions. Are there prostheses that can at least be used during the night? Few doctors treat this problem. I am in Paris. Thank you for your help. Claire

Story by Stéphane (France) December 20, 2020

It all started with a banal sinus infection in June 2018. After several ineffective antibiotic treatments, all the infected mucosa remained, from maxillary to ethmoid and up to frontal, on the right side.

August 2018:

I decide to consult an ear-nose-throat (ENT) doctor, who is convinced that this sinus infection is due to a nasal septal defect, even though no one has previously made this diagnosis. He recommends a septoplasty with medial metatomy to clear the sinusitis.

October 2018: Middle metatomy (first endonasal surgery):

I finally make up my mind and undergo surgery at Castelnau. The ENT doctor does not think it is necessary to do a septoplasty in addition to the middle metatomy, because I have never had sinusitis before or any other problem. We therefore proceed with a middle metatomy on the right side to clear the purulent mucus that was blocked. The post-operative X-ray which was taken a little later was almost identical to the pre-operative X-ray: this operation therefore had no effect. This ENT doctor nevertheless had the merit of not touching the turbinates and was careful to widen the middle metatomy.

End of 2018:

He continues to follow me up. Since my problem persists, he suggests a second, more invasive operation, without ever mentioning any action on the turbinates. I accept at first but back off on the advice of my father, who tells me that this ENT doctor has a bad reputation. My father talks about Professor C, who has an excellent reputation in the region and who has operated on his boss's brain. My father's argument is convincing, so I make an appointment with this "famous" professor.

Beginning of 2019:

I consult several times with this professor, whom I perceive as haughty and rarely smiling but who seems knowledgeable. He speaks in technical terms that put me at ease for the moment. He also says that a septoplasty is unnecessary, suggests a repeat of the middle metatomy on the right side with a turbinoplasty on the inferior turbinate, and adds that "my inferior turbinates are too large, they need to be reduced and I will breathe much better afterwards" . My family members advise me to trust him because he knows what he is talking about. I mention the risk of Empty Nose Syndrome after doing some searches online. What should I do? I hesitate. I have a bad feeling that I can't explain.

I send an email to let him know that I actually just want to do the middle metatomy without touching the turbinates initially and see him again for a consultation on this. The professor doesn't understand why I don't want people to touch the turbinates. I am then talking about the risk of developing Empty Nose Syndrome after reduction of the nasal turbinates. His reaction surprises me as he quickly becomes irritated and insists. He says: "Stop reading reviews on the internet or you won't get ahead. Empty Nose Syndrome only develops after the entire nasal concha is removed. On one hand; there is no risk. I have used this technique on my colleagues and it has relieved their symptoms."

I am asking for more information about the radio frequency treatment. He gets irritated again, avoids the topic and immediately ends the meeting with: "The consultation is over, I've said enough, we don't have time, stop asking questions." I agree that the radiofrequency treatment will only be performed on my lower right nostril and that this reduction will be minimal. For the left side, we will see later.

In retrospect, if I had read SNV forums and read testimonials from sufferers before, I would never have accepted this surgery or listened to this professor who lied to me.

March 2019: Repetition of middle metatomy on the right side with turbinoplasty on the lower turbinate on the right side (Second endonasal surgery):

The operation was carried out in March in Montpellier. The operative report states that the professor had to perform a partial turbinoplasty to perform the middle metatomy. Why? Since during the first operation his colleague did not need to do a turbinoplasty and other ENT doctors consulted talk about reduction of the middle turbinate in some cases to facilitate access but never about reduction of the lower turbinate for a middle metatomy... In addition, there there is a greater risk of developing Empty Nose Syndrome when operating on the lower nasal concha...

The postoperative consequences were painful. When removing the tampon after the first operation I hardly bled, but this time it was different, I still remember the day two when the professor removed the tampon. I was bleeding profusely, I had blood on my shirt and pants, but the professor didn't pay attention and even went to attend to another patient. A nurse took over and helped me stop the bleeding that continued, giving me ice cubes to swallow. After twenty minutes the bleeding stopped. The professor then returned to examine his work. For him, everything was perfect. Then there were appointments to remove the scabs and soak up the stagnant blood. The professor, still as straight to the point, did it "sloppily" as they say to suck without considering the nerves damaged by the operation. This is how I felt...

March to July 2019:

I did not experience any improvement after the surgery. At each consultation it was the same refrain, the professor assured me that I should be breathing better now, which was not the case. He says, "You seem worried and stressed, it will be fine." In reality, it's not good: I'm not breathing better and I also have nasal pain on the operated side as I tell him . The only explanation he has is: "It is possible that you are taking longer to heal because of the pain." (These pains and symptoms have worsened since then.)

July 2019 to January 2020:

I consult a new ENT doctor who prescribes an anti-inflammatory and says that my nose on the operated side is quite good, maybe even too open, and should not be touched again for the risk of developing Empty Nose Syndrome . The anti-inflammatory is working and the surgery seems to have finally paid off. I breathe well and have no pain from July to October.

In the meantime, I see the professor again and ask him to reduce the left turbinate because the non-operated side bothers me especially at night (it collapses against my deviated nasal septum). He says that in addition to turbinoplasty on the left lower nostril, he will also do a septoplasty. At the last minute, due to my intuition, I cancel the first appointment in June and the second in January, because I was still in pain in June and in January, the nasal pains returned with the cold season, which worsened and became permanent from January 2020.

From January to December 2020:

Physically and mentally I feel very bad because my pains are not normal . After surgery, I thought these disabling symptoms were due to healing and that I would have to be patient, but now, eight months after surgery, there was no logical explanation. I thought about Empty Nose Syndrome , the only reasonable explanation for these pains. I am sure that I have Empty Nose Syndrome and that this turbinoplasty (surgery of the nasal turbinates) is the cause.

I return to the professor with my father in January 2020. After an endoscopic examination, he still finds his work to be perfect, even though I tell him about my chronic disabling pain, my difficulty breathing, sleeping, etc., and he finds no explanation. He claims that it is because I have convinced myself that I have Empty Nose Syndrome that I have developed these pains, and that these pains are 100% psychological and not functional at all. This professor is stubborn and continues to do so.

To my great sorrow, my father "swallows" the surgeon's words and believes after this conversation that my symptoms are psychological, that I need to calm down, do activities, think about other things, use essential oils and nasal drops and, in the worst case, try hyaluronic acid injections, a completely inappropriate and outdated opinion considering my experienced pains which are far too strong to be just mental.

I tell the professor that I know he has been one of the otolaryngologists who wrote the formalized consensus report on Empty Nose Syndrome in 2012, a report that officially legitimized the existence of Empty Nose Syndrome in France through the ENT Corps. He replies that he does not remember... I tell him that he knows very well that Empty Nose Syndrome exists even for partial reductions of the nasal turbinates, that this iatrogenic disease caused by endonasal surgery is not uncommon but affects 20% of those who undergo a turbinectomy.

I wonder if this professor has read the studies of his distinguished colleagues in ENT who have written about Empty Nose Syndrome and which stipulate that one should not remove more than one third of the turbinate to avoid the development of Empty Nose Syndrome , or touch which itself the head or tail of the lower concha to avoid developing a miserable condition for the person.

How is it that a famous professor in France in 2019, when I had my meetings with him, still believes that Empty Nose Syndrome only develops after total turbinectomy? Studies and work by Scheithauer, Passali, Houser and others have shown that Empty Nose Syndrome can occur after both total and partial resection of the lower or middle turbinates. They also show that there is a risk of Empty Nose Syndrome after procedures on the nasal turbinates, such as turbinoplasty, cauterization or radiofrequency.

I can understand that my pain may be partially psychological, but my symptoms have a clear functional cause. They are a direct consequence of this turbinoplasty, which will later be confirmed by Dr. B, ENT doctor in Valence. The second surgery performed by Professor C has caused Empty Nose Syndrome

The months go by and look the same, my pains persist. I take no pain meds except an anti depressant as my previous GP (who I have changed now) gave me no pain relief despite my sufferings and also thought it was mental.

May 2020 : I visit Dr. GB, head of the ENT department at the CHU in Valence, who was recommended to me on the Empty Nose Syndrome forum for his fat injections. My father has kindly accompanied me. I remember the journey in the car; despite the warm weather, the atmosphere was cold, and the music was played at high volume. It felt like I was bothering or that he was bothered about taking me to an ENT doctor out of our region. He was honest and had integrity, which contrasted with the four ENT doctors I saw at the beginning of the year, who had also assured me that everything was fine. Their positive judgments had reinforced my family's belief that I should not consult more ENT doctors because they felt it was not worth it unless I had something serious. But now I understand that it is really worth consulting an ENT doctor who has no direct connection with the person who operated on me.

During the consultation, Dr. GB listens attentively without interrupting. I tell him about my surgeries, my feelings, and he seems genuinely touched and sad. Finally an ENT who takes me seriously and understands what I'm going through, I'm not used to that. He finally says, "You likely have Empty Nose Syndrome , but I need to examine you and see your x-ray to be sure." Very quickly, the investigations confirm what he believes. In the picture, he shows me the area where too much of the turbinate has been removed, the cause of my Empty Nose Syndrome .

He honestly says that there is no miracle surgery, only that he can offer a fat injection to try to relieve me. For the first time I am dealing with an honest, human and thoughtful ENT doctor. He says: "I have operated on only four patients with Empty Nose Syndrome using this technique and the results are uncertain and unpredictable, depending not on the professionalism of the surgeon but on our body accepting or not accepting this graft."

I drive back from Valence, with the same cold and oppressive atmosphere with my father in the car. I remember when my father stopped to get something to drink and offered me something. It was scant consolation considering I had just told him that the ENT doctor had diagnosed me with Empty Nose Syndrome. His lack of reaction left a bitter aftertaste; it didn't seem to affect him that I had Empty Nose Syndrome. It felt like he didn't care, even though he has a big responsibility: if I hadn't trusted his opinion, I wouldn't be here today, even though I know he thought he was right and didn't do it on purpose .

I can't help but be disappointed in him. I am disappointed that he recommended me to this professor and that he told me to trust him for the radiofrequency treatment. I am also disappointed with the consultation in January where he blindly believed the professor instead of me. Most people would have cut off contact, but I chose to remain silent first and act as if nothing had happened: suffer in silence. Then I created a discussion group "ÖNH" on Messenger with members of my family. My mother is very receptive, answers and gives advice. My wife was sorry for me, but quickly became irritated and tired and eventually withdrew from the group. My grandparents are divided and my father has finally started to believe me and admit that my symptoms are not mental, but I get the feeling that it is wearing him down.

What should I do now? I have heard the opinions of two other sufferers of Empty Nose Syndrome who have received fat injections from this ENT doctor in Valence. They say their breathing problems have improved, from 2 to 7/10 for one of them, which is positive. As far as I'm concerned, it's mainly the pain that's disabling and on that point these two people have said that the fat injection didn't relieve their pain, and that they have to take painkillers that only give partial relief . One of them says that Durogesic patches with morphine provided pain relief for two years (pain reduced from 8 to 3). Therefore, I have not yet made a decision about this operation.

Currently my pains are neuralgic and neuropathic. I have become hypersensitive to temperatures and weather conditions. Outside, I can no longer cope with the cold and dry air that enters my nose without being heated or filtered; it feels like the air is hitting my mucous membrane and the damaged nerves causing a triad of painful symptoms that nothing relieves.

This surgery has a detrimental effect on my personal life: I manage the family as best I can. I often complain in the ENT group and I understand that it tires my wife. As for my daughter, I try to act like everything is fine. Not easy... It has also affected my professional life, because in January I missed a promotion. The pain was too strong, I couldn't perform the position I wanted so badly.

Life seems endless and every day is a trial because I suffer constantly . These pains are difficult to make others understand, who often think I am exaggerating , but anyone who suffers from this chronic pain that is present even at night would eventually become depressed, isolated and lose social contact.

With my doctor we try different treatments for pain. Some have no effect, others relieve me moderately but none make me live normally. I always have the feeling of having to fight. Constant mental motivation is required. A recent example: I went to pick up my daughter from school. Before I went I was happy and relaxed, but when I was outside and by the school, with the cold wind, the pains came back in full force: they ruined the reunion with my daughter. I have many such examples that destroy these moments of happiness and make life, which is usually so beautiful, a constant struggle.

So yes, I often act like nothing is wrong. Yes, I sometimes have dark thoughts when I am in this state . But when my pains give me a few moments of relief, my mood miraculously returns and I regain my zest for life.

I live mainly for my daughter and my wife rather than for myself . I could give up and just sit at home, alone in my corner and try to deal with my pain, but that's not a solution. What I feel: a very strong pain, it's like when you have a toothache and eat something very cold, the intense cold on the teeth like an electric shock for a few seconds, the same painful feeling with burns in the nose, throat, etc. You could compare it to ice cubes in the nose! The pain also radiates into the maxillary sinus and palate.

Sometimes I hope that my pain will go away with time, maybe with the fat injection and that the damaged nerves will recover or that a pain relief treatment will work. I want so badly to see my daughter grow up and take care of her through all the stages of life. I regret this surgery so much, especially since I didn't want anyone to touch my nostrils and it was the professor who insisted on doing it, which is even more frustrating... Stéphane

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Testimonial from Jessica M (France) August 16, 2020

As agreed by phone today, I am attaching herewith an explanation of my "case", what has happened to me, and the various documents requested:

1: The operative report of my endonasal surgery on 17/12/2018 in which the ENT doctor performed: a septoplasty with removal of the deviated part of the septum, a bilateral turbinectomy of the middle turbinates , an anterior ethmoidectomy, a middle meatotomy with middle expansion at the expense of the inferior turbinate and finally a "bilateral turbinoplasty of the inferior nasal turbinates by radiofrequency treatment. These five procedures, with the exception of the septoplasty, were performed without my prior information and without my consent.

2: Prescriptions from my current ENT doctor, my scans and reports. I have also attached my medical certificate, so that you have all the information about me.

My name is Jessica M and I turn 38 on October 24th. Since 2007 I've had sinus infections (I remember that date because that's when I started working and because my sick leave was mostly due to sinus infections). I also had them before and during my studies, usually three to four times a year, and in recent years between four and five times a year. I have often been given antihistamines and antibiotics (Augmentin), to no avail.

March 2017 : First consultation with Dr. B, recommended by a doctor. My GP at the time (who I have since changed) was no more concerned than the ENT doctor. He gave me an antihistamine and a scan prescription, but my sinus infections returned.

December 2017 : My sinus infections persist, so I consult a new ENT doctor, the "famous" Dr. PB that I was recommended. He again prescribed antihistamine and another X-ray. To him, everything looked good. During this year I did not take care of my health, too busy with my new job and personal concerns.

December 2018 : Since I still had sinus infections, I went back to the ENT doctor who had said to come back four to six months after finishing treatment. This time his statement changed: "He was surprised that no one had said that I have an ethnic mix (my father is from the Congo and my mother is from Turkey/Czech Republic) and that I am thinner than average.

He prescribed me to undergo more advanced tests and did a fibroscopy. During the examination: on the right side everything was fine, it was unpleasant but not very painful. On the left side, however, "I flew up to the ceiling". It felt like he had bumped into something. He said that I had a small tumor (I thought that was a rather harsh word) and that there was no doubt that I needed surgery quickly, and he would also take the opportunity to widen my 'ducts'. He never spoke about the method of surgery or what exactly he was going to do. I asked questions, but he answered vaguely and quickly.

To calm myself, I told myself that he knew what he was doing and that it was a surgeon (generally, a surgeon never has time). I trusted him and of course I was very foolish not to take more interest in the operation, convinced that he had made a diagnosis of "atrophied ducts" for ethnic reasons and because I allegedly had a tumor to be removed.

I had surgery on December 17, 2018 at the M L clinic in Paris, in the eleventh arrondissement. I insisted on not doing the surgery as day surgery, because I didn't feel safe with surgeries (I've had a few, including one with a difficult awakening, and I react like a child when I get to the operating room...) and also because I was afraid of bleeding as he had mentioned. And I was right!

When the nurse removed the tampons, she explained that normally it would have been the doctor who did it, but with this doctor it was always the same, I was "literally bleeding" and she hesitated for a long time before letting me go. When I got home there was another bloodbath, and my parents wanted me to call the surgeon, but I didn't dare, and the next day it stopped.

When Dr. B came to visit me in the room the next morning after the operation, he was very rude and gave me no comfort, did not talk about the famous "tumor" or the operation. He just said, "I'll see you in a week". It was the nurse who, worried about my condition, said that he was probably irritated and that I shouldn't take it personally... He didn't give me any prescriptions even though the effect of the anesthetic was wearing off and I was in obvious pain. It was the nurse who had to ask an anesthetist to write a prescription before I could go home.

A week later, I returned for a postoperative follow-up. I was panicked and worried, felt my nose which was hard and swollen and didn't understand why. It was I myself who, by examining myself, realized that I had braces, he had never said anything about this. I pointed this out at the meeting as well as his inappropriate behavior the day after the operation which had shocked me. He apologized and suddenly took the time to answer my questions. When I mentioned the "tumor", the results, etc., he remained evasive and said everything was fine. You will see that nothing about this is mentioned in the report.

I met him again a month later. I still had crusts coming out of my nose, it still hurt, etc., and the same after three and six months, everything was still normal for him. I started insisting because every time I told him something, he laughed. He smiled as if he didn't believe me: "So?", "Hmm, no one has said that before", "You know, this operation takes a year to stabilize", "the sense of smell is very unstable, it is normal that it is not same every day", etc.

In my ears I heard a creaking noise as I snowed. I always had blood-like secretions coming out, and I couldn't (and still do) bend forward without very severe pain in my sinuses, headaches (which I usually didn't have before, except for sinus infections), I was in constant pain in the sinuses, etc.

January 2020 : I had a meeting with him and had decided that I would not give in until he clearly answered my questions, but I had to cancel due to personal problems and then due to the Covid-19 restrictions. At this point I have not completed the consultation as I no longer believe this ENT doctor. I don't plan to see him again because I'm still suffering. This decomposing operation has been in vain, I have the feeling of having empty nostrils (when it's cold it feels like I have no nose), I have bad breathing, because I hardly feel anything unless I put "something" in the nostril . I have again very infected sinus infections which I am now treating myself naturally because I took too much Augmentin in the past.

On Saturday night, when I was hit with another sinus infection, I did something I've never done before: I read reviews about this ENT doctor on Google. There I was shocked – I saw my own story in one of the comments. A patient had described how Dr. B said that an operation was necessary but who had then sought an opinion at another clinic. That's when I realized I should contact Professor C or someone from his team to get an assessment as to whether or not this surgery is a failure.

This morning I requested a copy of the operative report which I had not previously received. I tried to call the clinic without success and therefore sent an email. An hour later I had the report, and I discovered that my middle turbinates had been removed - something I hadn't been told about before.

Here is my story. I may not have been concise and I am truly sorry for that. I haven't even mentioned all the details, like being late for a meeting or the slight punch to the nose. After years of suffering with sinus infections, it has been a morale blow to learn that the painful surgery may not only have been ineffective, but possibly even worsened my condition. Sincerely, Jessica M

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In memory of Marcio Goulart, victim of Empty Nose Syndrome, deceased on April 21, 2020 . Published July 16, 2020

Hi, yes, I knew Marcio. We talked on the phone every day. He was a very kind and humble person. It was always nice to talk to him. He suffered immensely. He felt suffocated and had panic attacks every day. He could not walk without experiencing the sensation of suffocation. He had had 90% of his middle turbinates removed on both sides . He went to Italy to see Dr. Piazza and investigate the possibility of getting implants, but Dr. Piazza refused to operate on Marcio because he was afraid that Marcio would become even more blocked based on what Marcio had told him about his symptoms. Marcio became very depressed after that visit and unfortunately he tried to take his own life shortly afterwards. He survived that suicide attempt.

Marcio was very active on forums for Empty Nose Syndrome Awareness. He talked to many people there. He tried to see if he could get implants with Dr. Das, but money and travel problems were obstacles. He always told me how much he suffered and how his life had been normal as an English teacher in Brazil before. He had had great success before his septoplasty and the surgery to reduce the turbinates. After the operation, he was forced to quit his job and became permanently disabled. He compared his breathing to breathing through tiny straws all day and felt a constant sense of obstruction.

His family did not take his condition seriously at all. He always told me he didn't know what to do. Unfortunately, he bought a firearm from someone he had met online. He had told me and a few others about this. He hid the weapon somewhere in his house and one night he took it out and shot himself in the head. I could do nothing to stop him. He had gone on Facebook to say goodbye to this cruel world before pulling the trigger . The ENS community was devastated. Marcio was much loved by everyone in the groups. It was a shock to all of us. Marcio could no longer endure the terrible suffering and could no longer accept his condition." / Mark Lewis

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Testimony Henri L ( France) July 8, 2020, Syndromedunezvide

Hello everyone,

My name is Henri and I live in Brest. I am not sure if I suffer from Empty Nose Syndrome, but what I do know is that since my failed septoplasty in 1972 I have had a septal perforation, disabling breathing problems and stomach symptoms. My condition has deteriorated significantly over the years.

I have not been able to get hold of my surgery report (because my surgery is too old). I also don't know about Dr. B, in addition to the septoplasty, also affected my turbinates, but I have severe disabling symptoms: dizziness and severe headaches, sinus pain and facial pain, nasal obstruction, dryness and burning sensation in the nose, crusts, ear plugs, excessively open nose, lack of air, posterior epistaxis , disturbed sleep with night awakenings, fatigue, depression (I am currently on Lyrica). I will soon have a x-ray regarding this.

I remember the severe post-operative consequences; I was more frozen with the horrible sensation of cold, unfiltered and unheated air suddenly rushing in upon inhalation. I had secretions in my throat, lots of greenish and whitish crusts blocking my nose, and I got severe bronchitis soon after. At the age of 32, it was the recurring sore throats and stomach pains that disabled me. In 1986 I consulted Professor J at the CHU in Brest, a colleague of Dr. B, who diagnosed me with a large posterior perforation of the nasal septum , vasomotor rhinitis , an allergic tendency and posterior rhinitis.

I have met several ENT doctors who have always asked the same question: "But who operated on you?" None of them really helped me. The last one said, "You have no septum left, a big hole in your nose. If you had a small perforation I could have done something, but here I can't do anything," and left me with no treatment, help or recommendations. I was completely demoralized.

Since that operation, I have had time to document myself. Two questions keep coming back:

  • Why did Dr. B me for a septal deviation when I had a vasomotor rhinitis and an allergic tendency, because I have learned that a vasomotor rhinitis, like a chronic sinusitis, is not operated on?
  • How could this charlatan suggest a septoplasty given my medical and professional background without understanding that his failed operation, because it resulted in a large perforation of the nasal septum, would worsen my condition?

This ENT doctor knew:

1.   That as a child I had undergone a tonsillectomy (removal of the tonsils, which is a defense against external infections), which probably weakened my immune system. (This was a common practice in my day, but it has since been abandoned because it was found that children whose tonsils were removed became more vulnerable and sick, which was my case…).

2.   That I worked as an electrician on construction sites, exposed daily to dust, toxic smells and in contact with toxic materials. A profession I practiced for 30 years…

I conclude with an extract from Professor K's report: "Mr Henri L has always been sensitive in the nose and this condition is the result of a vasomotor rhinitis, where the parasympathetic system causes this increase in the posterior rhinitis. Such a condition explains the hypersensitivity which his mucous membrane exhibits (...) During childhood, complications of rhinopharyngitis led to a tonsillectomy, and I note with surprise that this operation was performed by a colleague of the same name in Dunkirk note that the result is very beautiful because there is a large perforation of the nasal septum, the examination shows a residual rhinitis that leaves a dry streak on the pharyngeal wall , but our patient will find it difficult to filter all the dust and toxic fumes associated with his profession." Henry L

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Valérie's testimony (France) 18 June 2020, Written by SNV

I underwent two nasal operations which left me disabled and disabled and which turned my life into a real living hell. Since these operations I have been forced to stop my professional life and my condition has worsened. I have developed Empty Nose Syndrome with all the problems it brings because I had a Turbinectomy: resection of my middle and lower turbinates.

Since then I suffer from secondary atrophic rhinitis with the presence of permanent purulent scabs, ozena, staphylococci, paradoxical nasal congestion, disturbed sleep etc. and secondary consequences with serious consequences for my professional life, family life and social life.

Only my attending physician understands me; I apply fatty oil three times a day and do many rinses, but I haven't had a normal night in three years. I'm choking and I'm gagging because I have constant backflow and many other symptoms listed in the Empty Nose Syndrome Questionnaire: SNOT 22, ENS6Q, and ENS6Q Modified (questionnaires validated by the ENT Corps), with a score of 88 on the SNOT 22 and severe symptoms specific to Empty Nose Syndrome in the two other questionnaires .

On July 12, 2017, I had surgery for a total bilateral ethmoidectomy with bilateral middle concha tubinectomy, bilateral meatus myotomy, and septoplasty by Dr. M in Chambery because I suffered from nasal congestion with disturbed sleep.

On the X-rays from October 21, 2016, I was diagnosed with: "a septal deviation with hypertrophy of the turbinates" . After the procedure, I called Dr. M because I could no longer breathe . I had many problems and severe headaches and presence of scabies which have never gone away since then. My right nostril was completely blocked, my sleep even more disturbed and other symptoms appeared. So what was the purpose of this surgery if not to worsen my condition and breathing problems?

On July 10, 2018, a year later, not knowing what to do, I consulted a distinguished professor in Lyon and I trusted him considering his reputation. He performed a septoplasty follow-up with inferior turbinoplasty (resection of inferior turbinates) despite the fact that there was a previous ethmoidectomy performed and a previous turbinectomy of the middle turbinates where these had been removed.

I didn't know about Empty Nose Syndrome, nor the function of the turbinates. Now after I have informed myself about the subject, but unfortunately too late. But how is it possible that a professor of this renown can cut out part of the lower turbinates when the middle turbinates had previously been amputated without thinking that this would aggravate the atrophy and degeneration of my nasal mucosa with the presence of more scabies, ozena and infection because I no longer had a filter due to the removal of my turbinates? His operative report notes “a slight dislocation of the inferior turbinate which is then resected along its entire length. On the right side, a reduction of the right septal body is made”.

I am attaching this testimony as an appeal of the September 25, 2018 report by Professor D, “ENT expert”. The report describes my history, my state of health and the bad experience with this ENT doctor, who seems to protect his colleagues. The expert opinion concludes as follows: Since the "consolidation", that is, as of August 2018, regarding the permanent disability directly linked to the surgery:

There is no deterioration of nasal breathing, which during the day is satisfactory, but which at night is still disturbing and requires the use of pillows to sleep. The report notes a decline in quality of life , including my daily walk and spending time with the dogs on weekends. It is stated that there is an impact on relationships, but nothing is mentioned about sexual aspects . It also appears that the permanent exceptional injury has caused bad breathing and frequent sick leave and has forced me to stop my work in the human resources department, which has negatively affected my salary . This has led to an occupational impact with a declared loss of income. The report believes that there is a large emotional component to this disease, related to nasal congestion whose cause has not been identified (possibly due to overfunctioning of the parasympathetic system). Although two interventions performed by highly competent specialists have not improved the condition, psychotherapeutic treatment is deemed necessary, even if this is not covered by social insurance.

At no point does this ENT expert mention Empty Nose Syndrome, despite the clear tubinectomies and evidence, or can explain the cause of the disabling nasal congestion. The report questions the "iatrogenicity" of my illness and the deterioration of my condition as well as suggesting a previously unstable and depressive psychological state. I have to undergo a third assessment in the next few weeks. Valerie

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Inquiry into the suicide of Jack Ackland, victim of Empty Nose Syndrome. Published June 9, 2020 at syndromedunezvide.com

This article, written in 2018 by Len Ackland, journalist and son of a World War II veteran, describes the suffering and fate of his father Jack Ackland as a victim of Empty Nose Syndrome. The journalist investigates the reasons for his father's suicide, which occurred after he underwent a turbinectomy (amputation of the turbinates) performed by an ENT doctor in 1943, followed by a Cadwell-Luc operation.

Jack Ackland wanted to be a fighter pilot but suffered from barometric sinusitis which caused **forehead pressure, neuralgia and sinus problems**. Under pressure from his superior, Jack underwent a turbinectomy. This operation disabled him and permanently ended his military career . Len Ackland describes the torment his father bravely endured for 18 years, until he took his own life in 1962 at the age of 42 .

The terms "rhinitis atrophique", "Empty Nose Syndrome", "submucosal resection", "removal of nasal cartilage and bone", "turbinectomy", "disability" and "psychological stress" are mentioned. Although his disability was linked to these operations, he was repeatedly denied the benefits he was entitled to. 75 years later, what has changed? Turbinectomy is still performed today.

In April 2020, Marcio Goulart took his own life after undergoing a turbinectomy two years earlier, where the ENT doctor had removed almost all of his turbinates. Marcio Goulart took his life because he could no longer cope with his **sufferings**; he was born on October 9, 1988 and was only 32 years old. At the forum for Empty Nose Syndrome Awareness on April 26, 2020 at At 9:29 Mari Garb wrote: "Hi, I'm coming to inform you that the funeral and ceremony for our dear friend Marcio is scheduled for 3 pm in the state of Minas Gerais in Brazil. May we send prayers and much light to him and his fam ilj in this sad parting time.

Some excerpts from the article about Jack Ackland:

"In this hospital I was placed under the care of Major RW Wright, MD, Chief of the ENT Department. I was determined not to undergo an operation on my sinuses, but after being subjected to considerable pressure I finally gave my consent to a 'submucosal' surgery which refers to a submucosal resection that removes the cartilage and bone of the nose."

"Wright suggested that a set of small nasal bones called 'turbinates' are often infected and can contribute to ear problems. During Jack's first operation in March 1943, Wright removed cartilage and bone from the nose. He then performed a turbinectomy on Jack. Not only was one taken for much of the structure of the nose was removed, causing the nose to collapse, but also the ends of the turbinates were removed, causing too much air in the nose due to an overly enlarged nasal cavity and **atrophic rhinitis** Other doctors have criticized the operation and assessed the one as 'unnecessary'."

"Major Wilucki and Major Neff in Tucson made very courteous comments about the work that had been done on my nose and expressed doubts about my ability to continue flying but said I deserved a chance to try," Jack recalled in his March 1952 letter. Jack actually tried and failed."

"The symptoms were the same as before the hospitalization in Santa Ana and the pain was aggravated by flying. The symptoms were so severe that the person was unable to fly. Jack was grounded, downgraded to soldier without 'injury,' and sent to Amarillo Air Force Base for assignment," he writes in his letter from 1952."

Len writes, "I now knew the details of his surgery, but I still had one important unanswered question: Why did Wright, the experienced surgeon, perform such a radical operation that left my father too disabled to continue his service? Had he mismanaged surgery according to other doctors? Were his resections intentional or the fault of an overworked military surgeon?"

"Although I was unable to determine the surgical rationale for Wright's treatment of my father, the results of the surgery are indisputable. I asked Dr. Robert M. Meyers, professor of ENT at the University of Illinois at Chicago, to review the details of Jack's surgery and its consequences . Meyers said that surgery in the 40s was 'crudely performed compared to today.' Today, he said, Jack's condition would be called 'Empty Nose Syndrome.'

"In November 1946 he was hospitalized for sinusitis and streptococcal tonsillitis, which caused him 'a specific arthritis infection and acute joint pain with almost septic temperatures and considerable swelling in every joint, so much so that his wife did not recognize him. Jack writes: 'It it was thanks to the care of Dr. Brenann and his colleagues that I finally survived the crisis, and on Christmas Day my wife was told that she thought I would live.'"

"After 1946, Jack applied to the VA for an increase in his disability rating, with more benefits. He and his civilian doctor argued that the chronic bronchitis caused by the sequelae from the sinuses should be considered along with the sinusitis disability. In September of the following year, the VA denied his application .His unsuccessful appeal to the VA included a letter of support from Dr. Er Fenton of Washington: "Mr. Ackland came to me on December 31, 1943, and I have been seeing him regularly since. He has constant drainage from his posterior sinuses and an acute bronchitis with pleurisy." .He has been carefully examined and there is nothing we have been able to do to clarify the situation.As a result of these infections, the disability, in my opinion, is permanent and I have recommended his retirement from official duties he seeks a warm and dry climate to live in.'"

Jack writes: "It is often necessary for me to go to bed immediately after work in order to get to work the next day. Having severe headaches, sore throats, arthritis attacks, weight loss, general weakness and susceptibility to pneumonia and similar respiratory ailments are all the result of my disability."

His colleagues write: "He often seemed on the verge of collapse when he left the office to go home or to the hospital for treatment. There were times when the pain caused him to collapse and Mrs. Ackland had to drive him home." Jack was hospitalized again in March 1961. This time he was placed in the isolation ward, which broke his heart as he felt contagious to his family and friends, causing great **mental stress**. Jack had said he felt like 'a burden to his family'."

On Father's Day and my brother's sixth birthday, Dad was too ill to accompany the rest of the family to Elith Gardens theme park. The next day, at dawn, my mother woke me up and said, "Len, Len, your father is gone. He didn't come home last night and he has a gun." It was a .22 caliber pistol bought a year earlier. I jumped out of bed, dressed quickly, and took the little Pontiac Tempest to look for him. He had taken our other car. I drove north a few kilometers to our usual shooting range. Nothing. Then, on my way back, I saw the Buick among the parked cars, a place where he no doubt expected some stranger to find him. Instead, it was me.

Eleven months after Dad's death, the VA changed its position. Based on the evidence in the case, the authority wrote clinically that Jack's pain had had a psychological impact. It was established that there had been a clear personality change with behavioral disturbances and psychiatric symptoms on an acquired mental condition that caused psychological problems. This mental condition was recognized as directly related to the consequences of sinusitis and bronchitis.

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Testimony from HD (France) April 18, 2020, Published by SNV

I am twenty-two years old and after a failed aesthetic rhinoseptoplasty I have suffered for four years from a constant and disabling nasal obstruction, with impaired sleep. I was eighteen years old when I underwent this operation and had no breathing problems before. I only had, like most people, a slight septal deviation which did not affect my breathing and therefore was not a reason for surgery.

I was young and unaware of the potential risks of endonasal surgery. I trusted the surgeon's beautiful words and his experience, and he just said, "We're going to straighten your nasal septum and remove the bump on your nose, so you'll have a nice nose." This little bump bothered me aesthetically, so I thought it was a good time to remove it. It's my own fault, I admit it. I would never have accepted this surgery!

Two weeks after the procedure, when the cast was removed, hell began! I no longer recognized my nose, which was a complete failure aesthetically: a sunken bridge of the nose, absence of cartilage on the right side, the tip of the nose being raised too high and the nose swollen. A month of trauma after this terrible operation! Mentally, it was very difficult: I even considered ending everything - studies, sports, relationships, family life... In desperation, I made an appointment with Dr. OG, a well-known plastic surgeon in Vincennes, who injected hyaluronic acid into the alar cartilage to fill in the sunken bridge of the nose. (The effects of the product last between twelve and fourteen months). At the moment, I am relieved, at least on the aesthetic level, because I have regained my former appearance, which has allowed me to continue my studies and my life...

But I have a constantly blocked nostril and therefore use a German nasal spray, a powerful decongestant that opens the nostril in five seconds (the dose is equivalent to Derinox). I therefore made an appointment with an ENT doctor for my remaining obstruction problem, Dr. FG, who first prescribed weaker sprays than the "German Derinox," but which were less effective and whose decongestant effect lasted a shorter time compared to the German Derinox, which lasts for several hours.

At the second visit, when the sprays proved ineffective, the ENT doctor suggested a radiofrequency turbinoplasty to reduce my lower turbinates. I agreed and we would schedule a surgery day immediately after a scan, but due to covid-19 related restrictions it is currently impossible to carry out a scan or schedule surgery - non-vital procedures and investigations are currently postponed . I was lucky and thankfully I came across your website, which is filled with testimonials about this horrific procedure being performed on the turbinates, which made me realize the potentially serious and irreversible risks of this surgery. I then called the ENT doctor and said that I was scared and no longer wanted to carry out the operation. He replied that: "this operation was not an ancient method, that I had nothing to worry about.

A piece of advice for those who are considering a rhinoplasty for aesthetic reasons and who do not have breathing problems: be informed, do not play with your health - it is more important than aesthetics. Accept yourselves as you are. Do not be seduced or deceived by the words of some incompetent and unscrupulous surgeons. Mistakes are human: a wrong decision can lead to consequences with serious and disabling consequences in our daily life, as it was for me: a constantly blocked nose, difficult nights of non-recovery sleep, and an aesthetically mutilated nose in need of hyaluronic acid injections were twelfth to fourteenth month if I want to continue living. HD

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Testimonial from Pierre F (France) April 6, 2020, Published by SNV

My name is Pierre F, a 21-year-old student, and I, like many of you here, have had a disabling sinus surgery.

**May 2019:**

Last May I got sick with a severe sinus infection. I consulted an ENT doctor in Créteil, who, after prescribing several different antibiotics: Augmentin, Pyostacine, Flagyl (she had found anaerobic bacteria through a nose test), decided to operate on me.

**September–November 2019:**

On September 4th, I had a bilateral meatusotomy extended to the anterior ethmoid sinus and a septoplasty with resection of a bony ridge on the left side that was preventing my left sinus from breathing, as well as removal of the head of my middle turbinates. The record does not specifically mention "Turbinectomy", but the resection of my middle turbinates is mentioned. I want to point out that the ENT doctor never talked to me about my turbinates, not even cutting them out before surgery, and he only mentioned meatusotomy and septoplasty.

According to the ENT doctor, the operation went well, but only two weeks later I developed a fever, a general malaise, and very persistent discharge. I urgently visited a laboratory which, through a sample from the left nasal cavity, found that I had Staphylococcus aureus. Results: ten days with Pyostacine. I again consulted the ENT doctor who assured me that I was healthy despite the presence of nasal crusts which were likely to disappear. Confidently I also believed this. But barely fifteen days later, my condition worsened again.

**December 2019:**

I visited a new ENT doctor: Dr. See de C. at the American Hospital in Paris. He took a sample from my left nostril and again found Staphylococcus aureus, which led to a month of treatment with Pyostacine and a month and a half with Mucopirine: an antibacterial ointment to apply to the nose. After a slight improvement a month ago, I have now become infected again.

Every day I have continuous discomfort and a burning sensation in my left nostril, I can't breathe properly with it, and above all I have a pain that I would rate as 5 out of 10 or even 6 out of 10 on the left side, which always being reminded, as well as a feeling that I constantly have an ongoing infection. I also often have pain in the right frontal sinus. Finally, my condition worsens more and more: difficult nights, chronic fatigue and this despite my good will. I try to go outside and get some fresh air so I don't get depressed, but my body says stop  Pierre F.

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Testimony of Hugo I. (France) March 25, 2020, Published by SNV

18 years ago I received a severe blow to the nose which caused a deviation in my nasal septum. My nose was really crooked, but I lived with it all this time. Because I was breathing poorly through one nostril due to the deviation, I decided to have surgery, believing it would improve my quality of life (better sleep, less snoring and a feeling of energy when I wake up) . My girlfriend at the time strongly encouraged me to do it, and I had money saved from an inheritance from my father. I decided to take the plunge.

June 2019:

I consulted Dr. LX in Neuilly-sur-Seine. He had a good reputation on Google, and I didn't look much further. We did two simulations, and I chose the one that changed the appearance the most (removal of the hump and a slight reduction of the nose). I have to admit that I was influenced by my girlfriend to choose the most life changing procedure...

Afterwards, I had a CT scan of my face and sinuses, and it was discovered that I had a polyp in my right maxillary sinus and a deviated septum that caused a blockage. The surgeon said confidently: "With me you will breathe. I will ventilate your sinuses and use some laser..." Very naively I did not ask for more information about all this, because I believed that my doctor was a recognized expert and knew what he was going to do... It was a big mistake! But would I have refused the procedure even if I knew what he was going to do? Probably not, as I had confidence in the medicine at the time. Therefore, I also did not consult any other specialists (another big mistake).

31/01/2020:

I went into the operating room. Recovery went well until he removed the cast after 10 days. And there... the horror began. The problems began to come in a cascade. What struck me first was the aesthetic result. An absurd nose, much changed. I had a Vincent Cassel nose and now I had a boxer nose, flat and shapeless. But that wasn't the worst. I would soon discover what was really wrong.

It was at that point that I asked the surgeon to explain what procedures he had done so that I could understand and accept my new body. He then looked at me with a condescending and very surprised look that I asked this question, and simply handed me the operation report without a word.

When I got home, I rolled up my sleeves and deciphered these terms that I now know by heart: Rhinoseptoplasty, Triangular Cartilage Dissection, Alar Cartilage Dissection, Cartilage Resection, Bilateral Flexible Fiber Laser Rhinoplasty, Inward Dislocation of Inferior Nasal Concha, Bilateral meatusotomy of the maxillary sinuses, removal of a polyp... So many scary words that I bitterly regret having entered my life.

Very quickly I began to feel that my left nostril (the one that was initially blocked) was way too open and an excessive amount of air was coming in with a constant feeling of cold and a burning pain. This was accompanied by a feeling that the eye would start to water (a feeling that has diminished today). I started waking up 30 times a night, even though I used to sleep very deeply; got dark circles under my eyes, felt suffocated by rising anxiety, and had difficulty breathing in naturally and unconsciously.

In my right nostril, which was initially healthy, a minimal amount of air flowed in on inhalation (about 10% of the normal volume). I later discovered that I had a collapsed nasal arch caused by an excessive resection of the lateral cartilage. As a result, I have less of the cold air feeling in this nostril.

I then had a follow-up x-ray which showed that my lower turbinates had been reduced by laser. I don't know exactly how much. One ENT doctor said it was 50% eye gauge, another said it was just the head of the left concha that had been cut off, about as much as a phalanx... Also, I now have a widespread infection in both sinuses that are completely blocked.

On day 26:

Around 3am I had three bleeds, the last of which was impossible to stop. It was the fire department that took me to the hospital, where I went through pure hell. I had swallowed so much blood that I threw up, and I finally passed out and fell to the floor because I was so weak. (I would like to point out that this has never happened to me before, I am a 34 year old male, athletic and working in the security industry). They then urgently burned my vessels, almost without anesthesia, with a probably electric endoscope. And this on the left nostril which had been most reduced.

Afterwards I started experiencing all the symptoms of Empty Nose Syndrome, such as the smell of infection coming out of my nostrils (something that is subdued at the moment as I am on antibiotics, doing regular rinses and plugging my nasal cavity with wax), migraines, difficulty sleeping , depression, suicidal thoughts that even led me to spend two days in a psychiatric clinic… It is as if I had hit rock bottom, when all I hoped for was to be able to breathe properly!

Now I live with part of my brain constantly occupied with this feeling of cold air on one side and blockage on the other. I sleep with my head in my sleeping bag and force myself to breathe through my mouth. I place a piece of natural wax to dampen the ferocity of the air that comes and erodes my nasal lining, but it doesn't really work 100% well.

I'm trying to stay positive, but my girlfriend left me during this ordeal, I'm trying to exercise, go to work (after a month and a half sick leave), but it's hard. I don't know if I will ever get a normal life back. I would like to hear your reactions to my experience and if I still have a chance to recover. Looks like I still have some lower turbinates left. I am not like some who are completely mutilated. But even now the symptoms are very difficult to live with. / Hugo I

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TESTIMONY LAURENCE H (France) 20 March 2020

I am attaching herewith the contributions for my son Sven, 25 years old, and for myself. Sven underwent surgery on 23 February 2006 in Brest, where he underwent a turbinectomy . At the time, he was under the care of his grandparents. It was his grandmother who took the initiative to relieve his constantly stuffy nose. I was in the middle of a burnout, I was faced with fait accompli and didn't realize the extent of the damage! Today I bitterly regret that I silently "agreed" to this mutilation of Sven.

He endures immense pain, especially since after the RoR vaccination he is now autistic with Asperger's. A double burden for a young man of 25 years, highly intelligent and hypersensitive.

On your advice I have requested the surgery report. Thank you so much for your outstanding work and dedication. You are truly a light and a hope for us. Thanks again. We wish you a lot of strength to pass your health trials, we support you in our thoughts and send all our love. / Kind regards, Laurence, Sven

NB:
Sven was 11 years old when he underwent this endonasal surgery in 2006 (asthmatic and severely allergic at the time of the event). On the three SNV questions, he scored a total of 92 points on the SNOT 22 and responded positively with severe degrees to the six items of the ENS6Q and ENS6Q modified, with severe paradoxical nasal obstruction, thick nasal discharge, postnasal secretions, pressure and pain in the ears, blocked ears, cough, sore throat, dizziness, disturbed and non-restorative sleep, multiple awakenings, chronic fatigue, disturbances in taste and smell, lack of air, feeling of suffocation, lost productivity and concentration, irritability, frustration, withdrawal, anxiety... I'm attaching part of his email from 03/25/2020 which complements his symptoms...

My troubles depend on the surroundings. In the Paris region, I am affected differently, depending on the humidity and air quality. I suffer tremendously from this situation, I am very sensitive to environmental pollutants, pesticides, boron salts, combustion particles (gas stove with propane...). We bought a Dyson Pur and Cool air purifier, and I notice that every night there is an increase in VOCs (volatile organic compounds), after much research it turns out that it is the boric salts in the cellulose insulation that breaks down in the pitched roof and atmosphere; indoor air is found to be more polluted than outdoor air.

When I wake up I'm extremely tired , I think the boric salts' downsides are added to my worsening Empty Nose Syndrome , aggravated by my Asperger's Syndrome. In other places I don't have the same discomfort and am much less tired when I wake up. Boron salts are neurotoxic and reprotoxic. In this house, since 2010, I blow my nose constantly, at least 15 times a day, my nose is constantly blocked and my nasal membranes are always moist due to the prevailing humidity. As soon as my body is exposed to neurotoxic chemicals, I react very strongly, unlike a healthy person who has their turbinates, especially from a neurological perspective and paradoxical obstruction" .

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Testimonial from Christine P. (France) January 7, 2020, Written by SNV

Dear Françoise: To remedy a recurring nasal obstruction, a general practitioner had prescribed Déturgylone and Aturgyl for me. After some time he advised me to see an ENT specialist, as nasal spray vasoconstrictors are dangerous. So I followed his advice.

I made an appointment with Dr. G., an ENT specialist at St Musse Hospital in Toulon. I had an old scan with me that was two years old. He said straight away that I needed surgery, that my nose would never be free again, and that it was a minor, routine procedure... (I have other rather serious health problems as noted in the consultation report from Professor C that I sent you). After a short discussion to build trust (on his part) I accepted the surgery thinking: "he's a specialist, he knows what he's doing". I had of course informed him of my other health problems and that I already had enough suffering without him adding more…

Septoplasty, meatotomy, bilateral lower turbinoplasty (29/06/2017)

I had surgery on June 29, 2017 and a month later the following symptoms began to appear: coughs, infections, discomfort and loss of taste that I never regained since this surgery . My general practitioner, Dr. M., an amazing woman, tried to get hold of the ENT specialist, but she never managed to reach him, his secretary blocked all attempts. It took me three months to finally get an appointment.

He practically threw me out of his office and said that "his operation had gone well, that he made not just a road but a highway" . When I mentioned that I had lost my sense of taste, he replied that "it was the first time in his career that he had heard anything so absurd (among other things) and that it really was a crazy story!"

I have symptoms similar to those affected by Empty Nose Syndrome, such as headaches, dry nose and eyes, burning nose and facial pain, cough, tinnitus, inability to blow my nose, and the need to rinse my nose with my head down because the mucus is blocked , etc.

The operative report from this ENT specialist is incorrect, it states that he removed "40% of each turbinate", which is already objectionable as it is known that one should not remove more than 20% of the turbinate. Also, this ENT specialist performed a meatotomy that was not planned, and he offered me no medical treatment before the surgery. After this surgery I got staph infections, with permanent scabs...

I finally think that my problem from the beginning was simply allergic, since it corresponds to an environmental change, I moved to the country where there is a lot of pollen, etc.

In any case, I am happy and surprised to know that you are there and I feel less alone. No one knows what turbinates are, or what a turbinectomy means. Even those closest to me do not care about this, because it is not visible.

I am 68 years old and I know I won't live another 20 years, thank God, but I hope there will be solutions for the younger ones. I just wish that these nose jobs are banned, and that those responsible are forced to pay damages.

Thank you for all your efforts, I will do what I can based on my condition. I know my letter is too long, but it is still too short compared to the suffering these ENT specialists have caused. / Sincerely, Christine P.

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Alice's testimony (France) 5 October 2019

Ethmoïdectomie bilaterale, méatototomie moyenne et inférieure bilaterale, turbinectomie moyenne radicale bilaterale and probably left upper turbinate, turbinoplastie inférieure bilaterale, septoplasty (2013)

Six years ago I sought an ENT specialist because of recurring rhino-pharyngitis and headaches. (The ENT specialist I consulted as needed in the past and my GP had found no effective treatment to stop these symptoms). After a quick examination, this ENT specialist diagnosed me with a nasal obstruction and a deviated septum , which my previous ENT specialist had never pointed out. He ordered an X-ray which showed that there was a submucous cyst at the base of the left maxillary sinus, a left-sided septal defect that was obstructive on the anterior part of the middle turbinate, and that there were no other abnormalities .

After reading the x-rays, the ENT specialist immediately prescribed an operation (septoplasty with sinus drainage) without offering any less invasive medical treatment. He also did not mention any potentially serious side effects or risks, or that he would be operating on the middle and lower turbinates, something I discovered only after receiving the operative protocol which stated: "Bilateral ethmoïdectomie with septoplasty, bilateral meatotomy" as well as "an excision of the heads of the middle turbinates on both sides and a bilateral turbinoplasty of the lower turbinates with coagulation" .

After the operation, I quickly developed a dry nose . The ENT specialist then prescribed nasal baths with physiological saline to be administered with a syringe and Balsamorhinol. After this treatment, purulent scabs appeared with a foul smell , a sign of secondary atrophy with ozena, i.e. Empty Nose Syndrome due to atrophy and degeneration of the nasal mucosa and nasal edges as a result of complete removal of the middle turbinates and turbinoplasty of the lower turbinates **.

Since this operation I have had these scabs constantly, and in addition I suffer from regular infections which lead to more and more frequent sinus infections. It is not always easy to remove the purulent scabs, even after rinsing the nasal cavities, because they tend to settle over time.

I have seen the ENT specialist several times regarding this. Each time he replied that it could take a long time to heal, and I was given the same prescription: nasal irrigation with physiological saline, drops of Balsamorhinol to put in the nose, Zinnat 500 (an antibiotic to be taken for ten days for sinusitis) along with Rhinomaxil ( a corticosteroid) .

For the problems with the purulent scabs, he suggested a new operation: insertion of acrylic rods , which I fortunately declined because I have just learned that several victims of Empty Nose Syndrome who underwent this operation have had these non-autologous implants rejected and had to undergo further surgical procedures surgery to remove the rods.

2019:
On the new x-ray prescribed by the ENT specialist, it says: "Indication: Recurrent sinusitis. Previous sinus surgery in 2013. Previously performed méatotomy bilateral, middle turbinectomy bilaterally and probably upper turbinectomy left" . These procedures were never prescribed in the first place! Only septoplasty was on the protocol.

Currently, I have no neuropathic, sinus inflammatory, or facial pain, no paradoxical nasal congestion, or frontal and frontal sinus sequelae. I can often cheat, but recently I've been getting stomach aches more and more often and I'm getting less and less able to tolerate certain foods that I used to have no problems with. It could be that the postnasal secretions that I swallow cause gastroesophageal reflux, with sourness in the mouth, diarrhea, bloating, and painful cramps .

When the sinusitis heals, I feel better, but it's an endless cycle that returns relentlessly. This 2013 surgery has been to no avail. Not only do my previous symptoms persist (recurring headaches and rhino-pharyngitis), but it has also worsened my health by causing other problems. This mutilating operation should never have been carried out. Three other people have fallen victim to this surgeon… Alice

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In memory of Marc Bidaux, victim of Empty Nose SyndromeDied by suicide on January 23, 2021 (France)

I am 42 years old, have a family with two children and live in Finistère. My testimony is unfortunately similar to many other victims of Empty Nose Syndrome and is a sad story.

About eight or ten years ago, I suffered constantly from nasal congestion. At that time, I was prescribed many nasal sprays, such as Dérinox and "Destop" for the mucous membrane, which were never intended for long-term use.

Conclusion: we did not address the cause of this obstruction, which was a stuffy nose due to allergies, and my condition has only gotten worse.

June 2015 (First operation: bilateral lower partial turbinectomy)

Tired of the constant stuffy nose, I consulted several ENT specialists to find a sustainable solution. After two or three meetings, I met an ENT specialist at the University Hospital in Brest who seemed competent, serious and above all open to dialogue about the risks of ENT treatments.

She reassured me and suggested a minimal turbinectomy, with a small incision of a few millimeters in the turbinates, which she showed me on a drawing that I still have. Despite my concern about potential risks, I asked if a turbinoplasty would be preferable. She advised me against it, as she considered it an unnecessary operation and stated that I would have to do it again in two or three years. After considering and being reassured by the minor procedure, I agreed to the operation, which according to her went well. After a few weeks I noticed that I was breathing better, especially on the right side.

January 2016 (Second surgery: near total lower turbinectomy):

At the follow-up visit, I told the ENT specialist that I was breathing well on the right side but that the left side was still blocked. We decided to perform a small additional partial turbinectomy on the left side. For me it was about cutting a little more, but not removing everything that was shown on the ENT specialist's drawings. After surgery, my left nostril seemed to be less blocked. I was still a little embarrassed though, but nothing more. I was breathing better than before, so I thought everything was perfect.

March 2019:

Suddenly and without warning, my nose became completely blocked for a month and a half. I had completely forgotten about my fear of Empty Nose Syndrome and didn't think about it at all. The treatment (corticosteroids, cortisone, spray) really made my nasal congestion worse. I had to stop it after three days. Severe pain arose, as if my nose was on fire, and I felt that it was too open, with too much unfiltered, unheated air.

Since then it has been hell. My nose is sometimes blocked, sometimes too open with painful breathing, burning in the nose and nasopharynx, facial pain and intense fatigue. The worst is the dyspnoea which means that I can no longer sleep without medication. Without medicine I suffocate as if I could not breathe "automatically" (nocturnal asphyxia).

In addition to the physical suffering, anxiety and depression are inevitable. How can I live and take on my role as a father and my job in this condition? At work I have a hard time, no nap is possible. I can no longer sleep without medication, no restful sleep. How will I cope over time with this disease that seems to be degenerative?

No treatment either; I have consulted ENT specialists and several colleagues of the person who operated on me. They told me, I quote: "I'm not going to invent a disease for you, you don't have one. Fortunately, there are others who are competent." According to them, it's honestly Empty Nose Syndrome, which was confirmed by a CT scan that showed 90% of my lower turbinates had been removed.

Since 2015, ENT specialists have noted degeneration and progressive atrophy of my mucosa due to the nasal cavities being too open. However, they had no solution or restorative surgery to offer me. Any operations are rare and offer no guarantee of success, such as implants.

I met a famous professor in Italy (Fabio Piazza) who told me: "You were operated on by a very young ENT specialist with no experience." He didn't want to operate on me because it's too risky and advised me to wait a bit and observe the progress of my mucosa before contacting him again. Soon I have an appointment in Nice with a famous professor, known for his cartilage implants. I await his diagnosis.

Today I live as best I can, but I have lost a lot of my energy and zest for life. I suffer day after day from the symptoms of this iatrogenic disease . I try to continue to do some sports and enjoy my children as much as I can. Despite my stated fear of complications and the risk of Empty Nose Syndrome, my ENT specialist performed the procedures and removed all my turbinates, perhaps just to perform an experiment. No doubt I was just a test subject and had to face the consequences…Marc B.

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Testimony of Armine K (Belgium) 3 September 2019

July 2018 (Rhinoseptoplasty, bilateral lower turbinectomy):

I went to Armenia to undergo a rhinoseptoplasty because this surgery was cheaper there, and I had seen similar surgeries performed by experienced surgeons. Finally we found a surgeon. I asked him many questions during the consultation about my nose and possible procedures, and he always replied, "It won't be a problem!" I even warned him that I had a "complicated" nose and that I would forgo the operation if he had the slightest doubt. This surgeon never mentioned touching my turbinates, but that's exactly what he did. He did not inform me of any secondary risks. He lied to me from the beginning... I trusted him.

Immediately after the operation, I felt that something was wrong. When the tampons were removed, hell began! I said that I wasn't breathing normally, that I couldn't feel the air and that my nose felt "stuck in a vise!" He told me to be patient and that everything would gradually get better. Just before I went home, I saw him again for a follow-up because I still couldn't breathe. When I returned to Belgium, I consulted an ENT specialist who diagnosed me with paradoxical nasal obstruction. When I asked what that meant, she said that "my mucous membrane after the operation had lost its sensitivity."

While researching the internet, I came across information about Empty Nose Syndrome. When I read about the symptoms, I understood what I was suffering from! I was shocked. In a panic, I called my surgeon and told him I had Empty Nose Syndrome, that I couldn't feel air and that I had tachycardia. He said, "Don't worry, no, you don't feel the air now, it's a nerve in the mucous membrane. In the winter you'll feel better, you'll recover, you'll see."

September/November 2018:

I wrote to him that I was sick and that he needed to help me, but he always read my messages and did not respond. Since then I have consulted many surgeons and ENT specialists, all of whom have told me that my turbinates had been resected.

September 2019:

Over a year later, I still feel bad; I suffer from suffocation, insomnia and anxiety. Here in Europe I have been advised not to touch my nose and have been advised against any type of surgery, even though my surgeon still wanted to reduce my turbinates and denies his mistake!

This ENT specialist ruined my life. I am only 34 years old. I had no health or sleep problems before this surgery, but now I am disabled and unable to work. How can you work when you're suffocating and can't sleep? How do you live a normal life? If I had been warned of the potential risks, I would never have agreed to this surgery. Before, I played sports and used to go for long walks. I lived like ordinary people. But now my life is hell; I take antidepressants (clomipramine) and am completely exhausted to cope with... There is a "before" and an "after" operation.

I have several medical reports confirming that this 2018 turbinectomy is responsible for my diagnosed Empty Nose Syndrome. My surgeon finally admitted that he had reduced my lower turbinates. When I asked him why, I got no answer. He just said I wasn't the first or the last…

I get some relief from my symptoms by using a humidifier. I had a sleep test that showed continuous awakenings, apneas, and non-restorative sleep , so I was put on a CPAP (continuous positive airway pressure ventilation). I have spent a lot of money trying to relieve my symptoms, but no medicine helps, except for the benzodiazepine alprazolam, which however has harmful side effects (addiction). I have tried to commit suicide three times in the last few months because I can't stand these symptoms anymore. I feel completely lost. Armin K.

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Testimony of Betty C. September 3, 2019, ( syndromedunezvid e)

March 2019: After a disastrous extraction of my left cheek tooth, where the wall of the sinus floor was damaged, I suffered a sinus infection, despite this I was not prescribed antibiotics in time. It was treated with antibiotics too late, which allowed the inflammation to continue. I consulted an ENT intern at the hospital in my town, who told me not to do anything and offered me no treatment.

June 2019 (Middle and lower meatotomy):

I then saw an ENT doctor who suggested a middle meatotomy to relieve my pain. (A meatotomy is an operation that involves widening the opening to the sinuses in the nose)

He would remove an inflammatory submucosal cyst as well as a piece of the tooth root that remained in the gums. I accepted the operation, which the doctor said was risk-free. In addition to the middle meatotomy, the doctor also performed a lower meatotomy, but he did not remove the cyst!

Since then I have been through hell: endonasal burning, painful dry nose, jaw pain and above all total insomnia . I thought I was going crazy after many nights without any sleep. As soon as I try to fall asleep, I get a kind of sick feeling that constantly wakes me up. Now I take sleeping pills that allow me to sleep about five hours a night, and I take painkillers (Laroxyl and Gabapentin). I also constantly use a damp cotton ball, sometimes with menthol, in my nose which gives me some relief.

This operation has worsened my state of health and has affected my professional life: I have to reduce my working hours because I cannot concentrate with all these medications and this lack of sleep. I am always extremely tired.

My doctor talks about Empty Nose Syndrome, but the other specialists I've talked to don't know about this disease. My life has become a trial, and it is hard for me to endure… Betty C

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Testimony of Muriel B. (France) 29 August 2019

I had to consult an ear, nose and throat doctor (ENT doctor) at the Teinturier clinic in Toulouse because I had inhaled a toxic substance at work. Because of this, I suffered from hypertrophy of the lower and middle turbinates, as well as a nasal obstruction that prevented me from breathing.

I explained my poisoning to this ENT doctor, but he did not take it into account and denied the facts, despite the fact that this poisoning with chemical sensitivity has been recognized as an occupational disease and that I have been on sick leave because of this since 2013. The ENT doctor diagnosed diagnosed me with chronic sinusitis due to a deviated septum and hypertrophy of the turbinates, and said I therefore needed surgery.

I then expressed my concerns about developing Empty Nose Syndrome , as I had read about this disease. The ENT doctor clearly replied that the people who talked about Empty Nose Syndrome had a "special profile". I verbally asked him not to touch my nostrils. He replied that he would not do that, but that he would operate on me so that I would be able to breathe very well... I therefore agreed to the operation.

February 2019 (Septoplasty, valveplasty, bilateral turbinoplasty of the lower turbinates, bilateral opening of the ethmoid sinus.

Since this operation, my condition has worsened, especially the headache, earache and dry nose. My sleep is no longer restorative, I suffer from insomnia or sleep very little, and I constantly wake up with this horrible and anxious feeling of not being able to breathe. I'm always tired. Psychological and professional consequences too: I have become anxious and have panic attacks (fear of going out, fear of crowds). I feel crippled and unable to return to my professional life.

An unnecessary operation that I would have liked to have done without! Another surgeon who claims to be an expert but does not know the function of the turbinates. Another ENT doctor with a light hand on the scalpel and interested in profit, given the procedures performed in one operation...Muriel B.

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Mélanie B testimony (France) 24 August 2019, Syndromedunezvide

I had suffered from chronic sinus infections for six years. After trying various treatments to no avail, my ENT doctor suggested I undergo surgery. He briefly explained that he would straighten the nasal septum and open the sinus so that I could breathe better. In May last year I therefore underwent a septoplasty and an ethmoidectomy. I did not know at the time that this ENT doctor had at the same time performed a radical resection of the middle turbinates without informing me.

Since the operation, my condition has worsened. I have excruciating headaches that make me want to throw up. I often have a lot of pain in my sinuses. I either feel like I'm getting too much air or not enough, plus I have mucus running down my throat. I can't even sleep flat anymore and my sleep quality has deteriorated significantly, sometimes I wake up because of the phlegm or because I have too much of a headache!

I have gone back to my ENT doctor three times, but he just repeated that the surgery was well done and that I needed to rinse my nose properly! He was unhelpful and did not understand my condition at all. I felt crazy and was in great mental distress, as regular painkillers were not helping me. I then consulted my GP, who thought the situation was abnormal, but as he was not an ENT specialist, all he could do was prescribe stronger painkillers.

I started searching for a new ENT doctor and came across Syndromedunezvide.com. website of the association Empty Nose Syndrome france. There I got a shock! After a conversation with the president of the association, I asked my ENT doctor for the surgery report, and that's how I learned that I had also had a resection of the turbinates! My ENT had never mentioned that he was going to remove a concha, and I was shocked and really furious when I found out!

My everyday life is completely turned upside down, I can no longer do 'normal' activities, I can't work properly because of the headaches, I have withdrawn and feel tired and depressed.

August 2019:

I had a follow-up CT scan of the sinuses which confirmed the total resection of the turbinate, and the doctor commented, I quote, "The ENT doctor has done a highway," and that I no longer have sinusitis. The ENT doctor had thus, in addition to the ethmoidectomy and septoplasty, performed a radical of the turbinates without my consent and without informing me in advance. Now I understand better why I have developed the symptoms of Empty Nose Syndrome . I have not received any other information from him.

My GP wants me to have an MRI scan. It's complicated right now, I have a feeling that people and doctors I see think I'm crazy... I'm going to see Dr. B. soon, hoping it will get better... But I won't let go this ENT doctor who has mutilated my nose. He has some explaining to do to me, although he doesn't seem to see any problems. / Melanie B.

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Testimony of Christophe S. (France) 24 May 2019

I have suffered from nasal congestion (hypertrophic rhinitis) for ten years now, despite several endonasal surgeries and operations on my turbinates . I have since consulted several ENT doctors in Paris, including Dr. B., who recently suggested a seventh operation on my turbinates on the grounds that the effects of the radiofrequency treatment done in 2012 are wearing off with time.

2010 / 2013: Laser treatment, Septoplasty, (surgery of the nasal septum) meatus surgery [**1] , (surgery of the sinuses) surgery of the turbinates with radio frequency:

The first laser treatment was done by Dr. K. without results. Then I consulted Dr. BL., who after trying all possible treatments, including allergy tests, performed a second laser treatment which was ineffective on the left side. He then suggested a partial resection of the lower turbinates, which I declined at the last moment. Because Dr. BL. no longer wanting to operate on me, he referred me to Dr. L., who performed three surgical procedures at once:

  • Septoplasty to straighten my slightly deviated nasal septum.
  • Meatus surgery to lift the middle turbinate and open the middle nasal opening and remove a polyp.
  • Turbinoplasty of the inferior turbinates with radiofrequency.

Results: Three surgeries that were unnecessary, with no improvement in my symptoms.

2014: Turbinoplasty of the two parts of the inferior turbinates:

I am consulting a new ENT doctor, and after several ineffective treatments, Dr. F. suggested a turbinoplasty of the two parts of the lower turbinates, which I accepted in desperation, but again this time without results. He referred me to Professor H. at the Lariboisière Hospital, who is against all interventions and for good reason...

Dr. B. prescribed me Rhinomaxil (corticosteroids) which actually helps me sleep better, but I am afraid that this treatment may worsen my condition. When in doubt, I only use it in exceptional cases. Your advice is valuable to me; I already apply some of them: nasal rinses before bed, open windows at night for ventilation, which helps me breathe better, and humidification of living spaces. I am also considering trying new methods, such as engaging in physical activity, elevating the head of the bed, or completing a spa treatment.

As for the surveys you mention, I have already completed them:

The rhinomanometry at the Henri Mondor Hospital showed "a nasal obstruction with suspicion of vasomotor rhinitis and collapse phenomenon in the supine position on the left side at the valve". The polysomnographer detected sleep apneas that warranted CPAP, a treatment I abandoned because I couldn't breathe with it.

These interventions have worsened my health condition. Before these operations, I only had a blocked nose, which bothered me, but did not affect my quality of life very much. Now my symptoms are a real obstacle: breathing difficulties, headaches and constant fatigue because I sleep poorly. These symptoms make me miserable. I suffer from depression and find it difficult to continue working, and of course I no longer have an emotional life.

Despite my symptoms and the tests done for Empty Nose Syndrome, none of these ENT doctors have mentioned Empty Nose Syndrome as a result of these irreversible and unnecessary procedures on my lower turbinates...

Christopher S.

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Testimony of Emmanuel R. (France) 19 May 2019

Hello everyone, My name is Emmanuel and I am 43 years old. I underwent endonasal surgery in 2001 to correct a deviated nasal septum . I had a recurring sore throat and mucus in the back of my throat. A severe hypertrophy of the middle and lower turbinates and a deviation in the nasal septum were diagnosed, which, according to the ENT doctor, required surgery.

I will always remember the doctor's statement: "We have to operate!" I now regret agreeing to it. I want to point out that I didn't get a written report or surgery description, so I don't know exactly what was done: septoplasty and probably turbinoplasty since the ENT mentioned he was going to work on my turbinates.

Second operation: Removal of tonsils:

After this operation my condition did not improve; I complained of a runny nose, which was bothersome but bearable. My recurring sore throats continued. The ENT doctor was not in favor of an operation on the tonsils. Unable to take these tonsillitis and antibiotic treatments any longer, I turned to another ENT doctor who quickly recommended removal of the tonsils. This operation was a torture, so painful it was terrible.

Third operation: Insertion of septal plug for nasal septum perforation:

Mucus in the back of the throat continued and was often triggered by vomiting in the morning. I also had a burning sensation in my nose and consulted a third ENT doctor who informed me that these mucus plugs were normal, but that I had a perforation of the nasal septum which would be the cause of the dry nose. He inserted a silicone septal plug, which became so uncomfortable and painful that I finally removed it and developed a severe ear infection that left me with regular tinnitus-like noises in my left ear.

At the same time, I started having stomach problems with the daily bloating . I blamed the repeated use of antibiotics and antacids (proton pump inhibitors) prescribed. In general, I did pretty well except for the dry nose which was annoying and resulted in me scratching my nose a lot.

In 2013, I started experiencing nighttime awakenings due to a new, indescribable and bothersome sensation of too much air coming in through the nose. This discomfort, in the right nostril and in the frontal sinus, was aggravated with severe headaches radiating to the right side of the head. These headaches became weekly and were usually relieved with aspirin, but I was constantly tired. At the time I did not understand the connection to this surgery. When I was working out, I felt like I was having trouble breathing through my nose and quickly turned red like a crab.

I consulted a fourth ENT doctor, known for "fixing boxers' broken noses". After an endoscopic examination, he discovered a staphylococcal infection and judged that repair of the nasal septal perforation would be ineffective. He only gave me a nasal hygiene treatment: rinsing the nasal passages several times a day with physiological saline and supplementing with Gélositin oil to limit the dry nose.

This ENT doctor personally knew the surgeon who operated on me and did not believe that operation by his colleague was responsible for my symptoms, (which were not present before those operations). This is why I quickly abandoned this treatment.

Since the headache did not go away, I consulted a fifth ENT doctor in Créteil who recommended an x-ray of the sinuses. Results: nothing remarkable. Diagnosis: facial pain. He recommended that I see a neurologist.

In a crisis, I went to the headache emergency room at the Lariboisière hospital where I did an MRI and was diagnosed with a migraine. Attempts at triptans were ineffective and I was asked to keep a food diary to identify trigger foods. I soon gave up because I didn't recognize the typical migraine symptoms.

But when I researched online, I discovered Empty Nose Syndrome which felt more relevant to me. As I read on, without becoming a hypochondriac, I realized the role of the nose, breathing, and diaphragm and quickly linked my symptoms (headaches, dry nose and throat, bloating, etc.) to Empty Nose Syndrome. Now I hope to find a doctor who can help me. I have become suspicious and now tend to believe that ENT doctors are out to harm. I am now skeptical of any surgical suggestion.

Because I am deaf, the doctors insist that I get a cochlear implant. In researching this, I find that there are no real evaluations or reports on these implants and no compilation of failures or complications. On the contrary, everything always seems to be embedded in success… Emmanuel R.

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Story by Tommaso DI Marco (Italy) May 2, 2019

Tommaso DI Marco (Forum Facebook Emptynosesyndromeitaly /24/04/2019)

Happy Easter and have a good day everyone, even if it's late. I have just registered on Facebook and joined this forum to share my experience, give and get advice about this terrible condition called Empty Nose Syndrome.

My name is Tommaso, I am 54 years old and I was operated by Dr. Piazza on April 9, 2019. I will briefly tell my story. At the age of 25, I underwent a near-total resection of the lower turbinates because at the time I was suffering from severe nasal congestion that prevented me from breathing.

My torment began about ten years ago when I began to experience the first symptoms of this syndrome, which at the time was diagnosed and recognized by Dr. Dondè in Milan . I started searching for a solution until I consulted the forum Tapatalk where I read about Professor Piazza. (Thanks Lucas). I therefore decided to undergo surgery after the consultation with Professor Piazza at his "private practice" in Parma.

My condition was really serious because the "butcher" who operated on me burned away almost all my turbinates, but did not touch my oblique nasal septum. The most disabling symptoms were the paradoxical nasal congestion and a slight difficulty in breathing. I didn't suffer from dryness, sleep problems or crusts.

The operation in Mantova was first based on a septoplasty, which was necessary because it was impossible to first transplant cartilage from the ribs to implant as a replacement for the missing turbinates. In addition, cartilage was implanted on the sides of the nasal septum to restore volume and improve airflow.

Currently, although it is still early to assess the results, the following symptoms have occurred: dryness and crusting, increased feeling of difficulty breathing and insomnia. The only thing that has disappeared is the paradoxical nasal congestion. So at the moment my condition has deteriorated. I meet Dr. Coste in a few weeks to find out what needs to be done. That's all for now. Thank you for your attention.

Tommaso Di Marco

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Story by Stephen S. (United Kingdom) March 17, 2019

My name is Stephen S., I am 38 years old and I live in the UK. I wanted to share my experience to show that there are victims of Empty Nose Syndrome all over the world. Here is my story:

2009: I suffered from allergies and nasal congestion, which was uncomfortable because I couldn't breathe through my nose. My doctor had prescribed decongestant nasal sprays which did not help at all. I have never suffered from inflammation of the nose.

13/09/2010: Turbinectomy of the lower turbinates on both sides, septoplasty, adenoidectomy and submucosa diathermy

 Turbinectomy: This is a surgical procedure in which the lower turbinates are removed or reduced.

 Septoplasty: This is a surgical procedure to correct a deviated nasal septum. The nasal septum is the thin wall that separates the two nostrils from each other.

 Adenoidectomy: This is an operation to remove the adenoids, which are small glands located behind the nose and above the throat.

 Submucosal diathermy: Diathermy is a method that uses electric current to cut or coagulate tissue. This procedure can be used to reduce the size of tissue or to treat various types of nasal problems.

After four weeks of ineffective treatment, I went to an ENT doctor in Emersons Green, Bristol, who had been recommended by my GP. The doctor diagnosed me with enlargement of the lower turbinates and oblique nasal septum and suggested a turbinectomy of the lower turbinates on both sides, along with septoplasty, adenoidectomy and submucosal diathermy. He insisted on operating on me.

I accepted the operation, I had never heard of turbinates or the risks of turbinectomies. The doctor never mentioned the risks or Empty Nose Syndrome. I didn't ask any questions, I trusted him. On the informed consent and operative protocol there was also no reference to Empty Nose Syndrome.

If I had been told about this, I would never have accepted this destructive surgery with devastating symptoms such as (suffocation, feeling of an empty nose / paradoxical nasal congestion, insomnia, non-reparative sleep, fatigue and chronic pain).

A commercial, unscrupulous ENT doctor performed four surgical procedures at once. An unnecessary operation with irreversible consequences, with insufficient operational reasons, which worsened my original state of health.

16/03/2019: It is now nine years since I started living with Empty Nose Syndrome. Since this operation I have never had a good day and have never felt well. The feeling of suffocation that I experience has led me to go to hospital twice , two years ago and last year, and I have had to call an ambulance... This surgeon has ruined my life.

Since 2010, I have consulted four otolaryngologists and six doctors who have not been able to help me. They have prescribed antidepressants and sleeping pills which give me no relief. The only way to feel better and get rid of these symptoms is to find a treatment for Empty Nose Syndrome. Tablets do no good. Stephen WS

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Testimony of Piergiogio P. (Italy) 22 September 2018

April 4, 2013 (Septoplasty + lower nasal musculectomy):

Since my endonasal surgery, I no longer have a normal life, I no longer live. At that time I went for an examination of the throat at Santissima Hospital in Cagliari. They said everything was fine and that I didn't have polyps on my vocal cords, but they recommended that I have a septoplasty because my septum was crooked and the cartilage was sticking out of one nostril.

I initially declined the procedure because the rest of the examination was normal, but because I had difficulty breathing due to chronic obstructive bronchitis that developed gradually in the factory where I worked and where the air was particularly unhealthy, I finally agreed to the operation on faith that it would help me breathe better. Sure, my work wasn't doing me any good, but I didn't feel too bad because I regularly ran every weekend for fifty minutes. Since the surgery I have not been able to do it anymore.

I consulted a second ENT doctor at the same hospital, who after an endoscopic examination wrote in his report that I had bad breathing on both sides, without informing me of this. I was therefore operated on for a septoplasty, but the otolaryngologist also carried out a second surgical procedure: amputation of my lower turbinates, this without informing me in advance or obtaining my consent.

I informed this ENT doctor before the operation that I had chronic obstructive bronchitis. How can a reasonable otolaryngologist perform an amputation of my lower turbinates when I had chronic obstructive bronchitis to begin with? I let you imagine the harmful consequences of such an action on my state of health!

For three years this surgeon hid from me that he had amputated my turbinates. He also called my pulmonologist to ask him not to inform me that the deterioration of my health was due to my nose, which was a consequence of this operation which had also affected my private, social and professional life, as I could not work for five years.

July 12, 2018 (Cartilage implant on Septum)

I was operated on by Professor Piazza in Parma with cartilage implants for the reconstruction of the lower turbinates. I underwent the same procedure as Luca Salvarani, victim of Empty Nose Syndrome, who was previously operated on successfully by this professor.

The procedure is recent, so I'm waiting to judge the results. At the moment, I notice that I have more moisture in my nose, and that the excessive air flow that entered my nose earlier has been reduced. According to Professor Piazza, the condition of my mucosa has improved significantly.

However, my nose is still dry and I am currently experiencing no improvement in my bronchi and throat which are still inflamed and are getting worse day by day. I feel like I'm not getting enough air.

I use Ialoclean spray to moisturize my nose, and I wash it every day with a saline solution. I also have a periodic cortisone treatment and use aerosols.

I consult my pulmonologist regularly and I do not use CPAP. I want to emphasize that before this surgery I had a healthy mucous membrane and no problems with the turbinates. I will see Professor Piazza again in eighteen months for an examination and to see if this transplant is adequate. Piergiogio P.

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Testimony of Sébastien C. (France) 5 September 2018

I am forty-one years old and suffer from secondary atrophic rhinitis, or Empty Nose Syndrome. I have undergone three surgeries.

1998: First operation (Carbon atom)

(A carbon tetatoma is a type of cyst that forms in the middle ear and can cause chronic infections and inflammation. Surgery usually involves removing this cyst)

I was twenty and twenty-one years old when Dr. L., otolaryngologist in La Rochelle, operated on me. First, in 1998, I had surgery for a carbon tetatoma on the right ear (a skin cyst that leads to infection and dangerous chronic otitis media), and then in 1999, for a septoplasty with inferior turbinate resection . After this I have had severe dryness in the mucous membrane and a feeling of nasal congestion. Today I still don't know if this sudden dryness was due to the surgery or to me smoking?

1999: A second Septumplasty + surgery of the lower nostrils

Dr. L. then prescribed a six-month to a year course of cortisone nasal sprays, which were completely ineffective, and then told my parents that he would correct my nasal problem with a volume reduction of the inferior turbinates, under the pretense that my septum was not straight. He emphasized that he would do two things at once: I have later learned that everyone has a deviation, a more or less oblique nasal septum, which is not a reason for surgery.

The ENT doctor presented this second surgery as simple and downplayed the risks. I trusted him! (As for Dr. L., after my second operation I consulted Professor P. in Bordeaux and finally underwent a third operation for my hearing problem).

After the second operation, I lived in hell for several years. My condition worsened. When I woke up after the operation, I had wadding in my nose and then I got scabs and severe dryness in my nose and mouth, chapped lips. Also a blocked nose, the right nostril was more swollen and I had the feeling that I could no longer feel my nose or the air I was breathing in, and so on…

I have seen Dr. L. several times, who systematically downplayed my symptoms. As he remained evasive, I learned to live with this, without really understanding what was happening, something I only understood much later.

I still felt and knew that my mucous membrane had become extremely sore, and only natural treatments did me any good. I have consulted other otolaryngologists who suggested various surgeries, and so on... The only positive thing is that I quickly quit smoking!

2013: Just five years ago, I finally found out what I had: Dr. A. diagnosed me with secondary atrophic rhinitis, i.e. Empty Nose Syndrome, after an endonasal examination. He knows Dr. L. well, but did not want to criticize him. After several consultations, he finally admitted that his colleague should not have operated on me, it would have only aggravated my problem.

He prescribed me: Solacy, Gelositin and Fucidine, an antibiotic ointment, which nevertheless improved my condition somewhat. He thinks I'm doing pretty well under the circumstances. I think he said that because he must have seen worse cases than mine, unfortunately!

I suffer mainly from the right nostril which was cut too badly, and when Dr. A. put a cotton swab in my nose I could breathe better. Over the years I feel an improvement, but I still have difficult periods, especially with weather changes. I can't cope with wind, heat, or too dry air that increases my dryness in the nose. These are daily problems and chronic unpleasant symptoms that you have to accept and relativize as much as possible if you want to continue living.

Dr A. suggests no further intervention given the atrophic mucosa which is far too thin. What really relieves me is the Fucidine ointment that I use as a cure. It's an antibiotic cream, so I can't use it every day.

I just tried a new cream, Révamil, which is natural and seems good. This week I also receive Apo-rot Spray Hysan hyaluron, Hysan Nasensalbe and Liponasal Spray which I bought from a German pharmacy website, adapted for the treatment of damaged nasal mucosa which I will try.

I plan to make an appointment with Professor M. in Nantes as I live in Charente-Maritime, to see if he can improve my congestive condition. I don't think I will get any implants. Unlike some others, I'm still lucky enough to have some concha left, and most of all, I've learned to live with this iatrogenic disease for twenty years now, and I notice it's not that bad compared to some others.

Sébastien C.

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Testimony of Claudine D. (Belgium) 26 July 2018

In October 2017: I was operated by an ENT doctor in Charleroi for a deviation in the nasal septum. In addition to the septoplasty, without informing me in advance and without my consent, he also performed a bilateral partial reduction of the inferior turbinates. So two surgical procedures were performed!

He claimed I would breathe better afterwards, and I believed him. I only had a slight deviation of the nasal septum: I have since learned that everyone has a deviation of the nasal septum, which is no reason for surgery.

I felt sick right after the procedure and my problems really started three weeks later. My nose was constantly blocked, I no longer felt that the air was passing freely and naturally, and then other symptoms appeared: a chronic cough, headaches, intense fatigue and a lowered mood.

Currently, my breathing is no longer natural: I have to constantly sniff to get any kind of air. I have to think about breathing.

At follow-up visits, the ENT doctor claimed everything was fine, but he lied to protect himself. In fact, he wrote in his report: "The patient is breathing better," even though I never said that. He then blamed an allergy problem (according to his imagination) that was allegedly causing this blockage, even though all the skin and blood tests performed showed that I had no allergies. He then claimed that I had an inflammatory rhinitis, a vasomotor rhinitis... According to him, I had every conceivable ENT disease!

December 2017:

Three months after the procedure, during a consultation where my husband was present, I asked if he had touched my nostrils. He assured me he had not. I was partially sedated, although my breathing was very bad.

May 2018:

I submitted a report to the hospital and informed the management. A mediation was initiated.

June 2018:

In the presence of the mediator, a family member and the ENT doctor, he showed the radiographs and explained that he had performed a bilateral partial nasal turbinate reduction. He also submitted the operation report where this was clearly stated. I was completely shocked! He had assured me that he had not touched my nostrils! When I asked: "You said you hadn't touched the nostrils?", he replied with incredible confidence: "I never said that

July 2018:

Right now, with the heat, the neuropathic pains and symptoms are worse (facial pain, trigeminal nerve), I'm breathing very poorly and notice an increased heart rate. I have been prescribed antidepressants, but their side effects are too harmful, so I have stopped them.

It won't give me my breath back anyway.

Since nine months I have been suffering from Empty Nose Syndrome, as diagnosed by another ENT doctor, although unfortunately he could not write it down and admitted that there was nothing more to do. Before this destructive operation I lived well, I was healthy. Now my life is a nightmare, everything I used to like has lost all meaning, I withdraw and I fear the future. Beware of ENT doctors who promise miracles. The only miracle they can accomplish is to fill their wallets on your misfortune. Claudine D.

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Testimony of Pascal M. (France) 8 June 2018

Letter from Pascal M, victim of Empty Nose Syndrome, to Françoise, president of the association "Stop aux Mutilations Nasales Iatrogènes"

2018: I work as a firefighter in Paris, a very physical and exhausting job with an intense pace, which consists of constant travel back and forth, tiring nights at the fire station, daily training with the fire brigade and at the same time we are building our family home with the birth of the children who are not started sleeping through the night before they were three years old. I feel tired and starting to find it difficult. I put this down to lack of sleep caused by a stuffy nose when I go to bed.

I then consult an ENT doctor, Dr A. i Bruz, who diagnoses me with chronic nasal congestion due to a nasal septal deviation and bilaterally enlarged turbinates. He suggests a septoplasty (correction of my nasal septum) along with a bilateral turbinectomy (removal of my turbinates).

I trust him and accept the operation which takes place on June 2, 2008, without being informed of the serious side effects. I want to point out that I knew nothing about this destructive surgery at the time…

The awakening was difficult and painful, and I am told that everything has gone well. In the following days, I notice that my nose is free of congestion, which at first gives me a feeling of well-being, but unfortunately it is short-lived, as the air entering my nose begins to burn.

The visit to remove the plates that held my nasal septum in place was particularly painful: intense pain, feeling like the ENT doctor was ripping out part of my brain. Sweating. I was about to pass out but the doctor reassures me that everything has gone well.

The first winter was difficult: the first autumn colds made me suffer, I can no longer stand the cold air flowing into my nose and my nights are beginning to be difficult. The mood is affected...

2012:

I consult another ENT doctor, Dr. Y. at the St Grégoire clinic in Rennes, who says that the septoplasty has not helped and that there is still a problem. He performs two electrocauterizations where he uses an instrument to burn my turbinates so that they collapse. Now hell begins! I wander from consultation to consultation in a desperate search for a solution, an improvement of my condition: specialists and examinations of all kinds: ENT doctors, neurologists, osteopaths, psychologists, magnetizers, pain civilization centers, gastroenterologists, polysomnography, blood tests, CT scans , without solving the problem.

Surfing the net I discover a website about problems related to endonasal surgeries, I finally understand what I am suffering from: I have suffered from Empty Nose Syndrome. At first I am happy, I tell my family, everyone around me: doctors and so on... but I am met with general incomprehension.

It is hard to accept that, in addition to being injured, you have to make a self-diagnosis because the ENT doctors avoid talking about Empty Nose Syndrome because these destructive surgeries are their livelihood.

With the diagnosis not established, Empty Nose Syndrome not recognized (now recognized in France), denial by the ENT profession and even if you consult several ENT doctors, they cover for each other so it is impossible to get a diagnosis of Empty Nose Syndrome or the consequences of these destructive and unnecessary operations, there is no solution. It is a lot to be taken seriously by those around you.

Currently, the most difficult to endure are the non-reparative nights interrupted by micro-awakenings, the relationship with others, my emotions are inhibited, my symptoms and pains rule my days.

For my wife it is also difficult because I become antisocial and refuse many things: meals, invitations, sports activities with my children, family weekends...

I have encouraged my loved ones to visit your website www.syndromedunezvide.com and it has been good that they can understand what I am going through.

I live day by day and see no future...

Hugs of strength to all victims of Empty Nose Syndrome, Pascal M. (France)

PS: We, Pascal's parents, allow ourselves to add that life has become hell for our son and all his surroundings. We find it very difficult to understand that current medicine has no solution. Our son attempted suicide on May 25, 2018.

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Letter from a Victim of Empty Nose Syndrome to the Canadian Minister and Response from the Ministry. Published June 1, 2018

Mr. Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister
Honoré Mercier building, 3 floor
835, boulevard René-Levesque Est
Québec G1A 1B4

Hello Mr. Trudeau, I am writing to you because I am devastated, exhausted from not getting the help I need, tired of being told there is nothing wrong when I suffer tremendously, and tired of fighting to get my problem recognized by some ENT doctors . Some prefer to close their eyes for reasons I cannot explain.

I underwent surgery by Dr. AR at Maisonneuve-Rosemont Hospital for a septoplasty (rectification of the nasal septum) on April 13, 2017. The surgery was only to correct my nasal septum, but this ENT doctor performed several other procedures without informing me in advance, assuring me that the surgery was safe.

This doctor had me sign a consent form that was stated to be to reserve a seat in the operating room. Dr. AR added several procedures to increase their revenue, which compromised my health. He performed a turbinectomy and removed five centimeters of my turbinates. (A resection of more than one third, a practice that has been abandoned by ENT doctors abroad because of the serious consequences). This operation was almost fatal for me and made me consider suicide . The operation is formally discouraged in France and other countries except in extreme cases of nasal congestion and enlarged turbinates, which was not my case.

In addition to removing five centimeters of the turbinates, he burned them to stop the bleeding (which caused me to lose much of the volume in the turbinates), He also performed a rhinoplasty and decided to remove three centimeters of the nasal cartilage.

I feel like I only have skin left and no nose structure...

How is it possible, Mr. Minister, to carry out such interventions in today's Canada? We can no longer trust our doctors, some of whom only think of enriching themselves and take advantage of the naivety of people like me to sell dangerous and unnecessary operations.

I would like your help to find a solution to my problems and not let such dangerous charlatans continue to operate and exploit innocent people.

I am counting on you, Mr. Minister, to conduct an investigation and help me with my legal action as well as to cover the costs of medical, social and psychological treatment.

Sincerely, / Me.N., victim of Empty Nose Syndrome

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Testimony of Rémi K. (France) 11 May 2018

My name is Rémi, I am 37 years old. In 2015, I consulted my general practitioner due to disturbances in the sense of smell caused by a constant stuffy nose with dry secretions. My doctor referred me to an otolaryngologist who examined me and gave me a two month course of corticosteroids and told me to contact him again if the treatment was not effective.

The treatment was without result, but I did not go back to the ENT and continued my life as usual, with a good lifestyle in the country, while being active and sporty, but the problem remained.

2016

I decided to consult another otolaryngologist who had difficulty examining my blocked sinuses. He prescribed an X-ray which showed a relatively severe deviation of the nasal septum and an enlargement of the turbinates. The doctor suggested a local treatment to try to deflate the mucous membranes, but this was unsuccessful.

2017

A year later I returned to this doctor who prescribed an allergy investigation which I carried out: the tests were negative for respiratory allergies. The doctor suggested a decongestant operation which I accepted.

2018

On March 8, I was operated on an outpatient basis with a septoplasty and a partial lower reduction of the turbinates . When I left the hospital, I felt a little knocked out and went home. The next day the doctor called to see how I was doing and said I should feel relieved after the tamponades were removed. I went through four difficult days breathing through my mouth because my nose was blocked with tamponades and I had a lot of trouble sleeping.

The day of the removal of the tamponades, everything went smoothly, without pain and with minimal bleeding. After a quick clearing of my nose, I felt relieved and noticed that I could breathe better. The doctor prescribed post-operative treatment and told me to contact him only if there was an obstruction. When I left the reception, I was euphoric: it was very nice to be able to fully feel tastes and smells again, and I went home to enjoy a cup of coffee with brioche.

But this joy was short-lived. After several rinses with physiological saline, my nose began to become increasingly blocked, and I began to feel an airflow that was a little too fast, the air felt very cold, a dry nose, and a reduction in the sense of smell even though the nose was open. I gradually felt a lack of air which worried me, leading to anxiety and very restless nights with many awakenings. A week later I returned to the doctor and told him that I was not feeling well and asked for explanations.

He replied that the operation had gone well, that he had touched the turbinates very little, and that I should get used to it, as I had asked for better breathing. I continue to feel uncomfortable and already regret having the surgery.

Time passes, almost a month without being able to sleep: I wake up every two hours. I am starting to feel depressed and have consulted my GP who put me on antidepressants and anti-anxiety medication. I feel like a zombie and despite the medication I don't sleep better . I have therefore decided to stop this treatment and am trying to free my mind, although it is difficult because I am constantly focusing on my breathing and this dry nose, which is not extreme but still present.

My daily symptoms are as follows: dry nose and sticky secretions, too much air flow in one nostril (sensation of cold air that irritates and burns the sinuses and gives pressure in the head), reduced concentration and mood swings. Smell and taste abilities are random. As for sleep, today I manage to sleep for about five hours straight, but anxiety upon waking often prevents me from falling back to sleep.

Today I live with this because I have no choice, and still try to be as active as possible, which is very important. Even though I'm physically tired sometimes, exercise helps keep my spirits up. Walking in nature and the sea air also help me a lot.

My surgery is relatively new, it's almost two months ago, and at the moment I'm trying to keep my nose as moist as possible by avoiding big temperature changes. I have a humidifier at home and avoid climate controlled environments. I also use nasal blankets which, in my case, help a little because I have slightly better nasal resistance and my nose stays a little more moist.

In a few months I will have a post-op x-ray. I advise anyone with problems with chronic nasal congestion to try all possible methods of treatment in alternative medicine, such as nasal irrigation (Neti pot), home remedies, and spa treatments, before considering a surgical procedure or endonasal surgery that is irreversible.

Good luck to all / Rémi K

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By Joyce Co hen Posted on March 29, 2018 Syndromedunezvide

Link to the original article written in English

Growing up near Phoenix, Heather Schwan slogged through the seasons with itchy eyes, itchy throats and runny noses. Every day she took a decongestant medicine.

"I used to think that if I was ever kidnapped and they put silver tape over my mouth, I would pass out," she says. “I wouldn't get enough oxygen through my nose. It's scary to always have to keep your mouth open to breathe.”

After she married Luke Schwan, the couple moved to Texas, not far from his Army base, Fort Hood. Heather happily worked at her local Parks and Recreation Department.

A year and a half ago, she visited an otolaryngologist in nearby Austin, hoping for a solution to her breathing problems. He proposed a three-step approach: a balloon sinuplasty, a septoplasty, and a turbinate reduction.

“He said I could go back to work in two days,” says Heather, now 33. “The surgery seemed like a normal thing. I was excited to feel better.”

When the anesthesia wore off, however, she felt that something was wrong. "I felt like my cheekbones had been hit with a mallet," she says. “My nose bled down my throat. I coughed up blood.” But the doctor insisted that the inside of her nose looked fine.

But she couldn't sleep and felt like she was suffocating.

In a panic and with great concern, she began to search for information on the Internet. The news was terrifying. She had Empty Nose Syndrome (ENS). The rare iatrogenic condition caused by medical treatment affects a small proportion of patients who undergo surgery of the turbinates. ENS is caused by damage to the turbinates, cylindrical organs stacked in the nasal cavity three per side that warm and humidify inhaled air. Dr. Subinoy Das, a rhinologist in Columbus, Ohio, estimates that the complication affects 1 in 1,000 turbinate surgeries.

"These exceptions are absolutely devastating," says Dr. Das to PEOPLE. "Although this surgery is very helpful in improving breathing, it comes with rare, catastrophic risks."

ENS isn't even a formal diagnosis, but last year saw several breakthroughs in the field: A new Patient Outcomes Questionnaire, the ENS6Q, came into use, asking about six specific Empty Nose sensations: choking, burning, openness, crusting, dryness, and impaired air feeling. It complements the traditionally used SNOT questionnaire, for Sino-Nasal Outcome Test.

Two studies from researchers at The Ohio State University in Columbus showed that patients had distorted nasal airflow as well as damage to the nerves in the turbinates.

"If we could identify the risks in advance, that would be how we could advance this field," says Dr. Das. He compares the feeling of suffocation to being under water and not being able to rise to the surface.

"It's like you're trying to take a breath, but your lungs aren't big enough," says Heather. The sensation is not relieved by breathing through the mouth. She felt so bad that she had to leave her job.

"I felt enormous guilt for putting my family through this," she says. “It is such a difficult thing to understand. I lost my sense of well-being.”

Heather and Luke, who are parents to an 8-year-old son, Owen, had been waiting three years to adopt. Two weeks after the operation, the phone rang. A baby girl was waiting.

"I just cried and said to my husband: How can I bring a child into this life when I can't even take care of myself?" says Heather. “I questioned our decision to grow our family through adoption.”

But they rushed to pick up little Maya, who is now almost 18 months old. “She saved me,” says Heather.

Maya's arrival felt like a new beginning. “A baby is so attention-seeking,” says Luke, who now works in sales for a packaging company. “Heather had to live for someone else.”

And Heather connected with others online who had similar nasal symptoms. They encouraged her to "persevere, even though my life would forever be different," she says.

Last fall, Heather visited Dr. Das, one of three surgeons in the United States who offer advanced treatments for ENS patients, with injections to stimulate nerve growth or fillers to change the contours of the nasal cavity. After the healing, she saw a slight improvement.

She no longer feels like she is suffocating all the time. But she still has to think about breathing.

“It's like constantly asking your heart to beat. Breathing is not something you should think about.”

Testimony of Jean-François D. (France) 24 March 2018

January 2009:

I had surgery for a septumplasty with bilateral inferior reduction of the turbinates due to a deviation of the nasal septum with enlargement of the inferior turbinates. The ENT had never mentioned that the turbinates would be operated on beforehand or informed me that he would perform this conchotomy at the same time as the septum operation. The problems with chronic rhinitis and various symptoms arose very quickly after the operation. I put up with them and tried to get used to it, believing that my condition would improve with time. But it didn't happen that way.

2013:

It wasn't until four years later, when my GP retired and gave me my medical records, that I discovered to my surprise and shock that the ENT had, without informing me, performed a reduction of my inferior turbinates.

March 2015:

After researching the matter, I understood the implications of the removal of my lower turbinates and realized that all my disabling symptoms stemmed from this harmful surgery. I therefore consulted another otolaryngologist, Dr. R. at the Hospital Bretonneau in Tours, who diagnosed me with Empty Nose Syndrome and wrote in his report:

"Mr. D. suffers from an Empty Nose Syndrome, which is explained by a changed anatomy, especially on the left side. I would like Mr. D. to undergo a CT scan of the facial sinuses to rule out chronic sinusitis. If the CT scan is normal, we can consider atypical Empty Nose Syndrome, for which treatments are difficult and of uncertain efficacy.” The CT scan showed no evidence of chronic sinusitis, but demonstrated an osteoma in the frontal sinus, which was not responsible for the frontal pains.

July to November 2015:

Dryness of the eyes, nose and mouth, discomfort in the left ear with tinnitus and other symptoms appeared. The otolaryngologist then suggested sessions of sophrology, talked about anxiety, runny nose caused by a "dry nose syndrome" and referred me to a colleague in internal medicine for an investigation.

January 2016:

The investigation confirmed a continued runny nose, the presence of dry mouth and eyes with the onset of tinnitus in the left ear, lacrimation, eye stinging and sensation of sand grains, despite the ophthalmological examination being normal...

All the treatments I have tried (Nasonex, Atrovent, saline nasal rinses, Balsamorhinol, inhalations, essential oils, creams, etc.) have proven to be completely ineffective. Today I take a painkiller of level II to relieve my pain: Tramadol 200 mg together with paracetamol, the generic of which is included in the list of 25 drugs banned from sale, according to a notice from the National Medicines Agency on December 18, which initiated a procedure to withdraw 25 generic drugs marketed in France, due to violations committed by a company that conducted clinical bioequivalence studies on generic drugs / Jean-Francois D.

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Testimony of Jean-Louis D. (France) March 5, 2018, Written by SNV

I will never forget that date. I have only been operated on once in my life, at the hospital in Troyes, for pansinusitis and a deviated nasal septum . I was only informed that I would have a sinus cleaning, but in reality the ENT doctor was not satisfied with a single endonasal operation: no! He carried out at the same time, without informing me in advance:

A bilateral anterior ethmoidectomy (I have no middle turbinates, so a radical middle turbinectomy), a bilateral meatoectomy and a lower turbinatomy (resection of my lower turbinates).

This surgery did no good and has only worsened my chronic pansinusitis. I also suffer from Empty Nose Syndrome. My condition continues to deteriorate . In the winter I'm more sensitive to bronchitis because I don't have any filters anymore. My sinuses are too open: my mucous membrane has become extremely dry, causing me to bleed and have developed secondary atrophic rhinitis over the years. In the summer, my nose causes me a lot of pain: burning and continuous nasal pains, where I no longer have any turbinates. I have the sensation of having a "ghost nose", of no longer feeling my breath.

Psychologically, it is very difficult to live like this. For a long time I was told that these symptoms were linked to a depressive state. Denial, indifference, isolation, lack of understanding and impact on my work life: I can no longer work normally, it's my path, a path as a victim of Empty Nose Syndrome...

When I consulted a new ear, nose and throat doctor, he said bluntly: “You've had your turbinates removed, why didn't you come to me sooner? Now there is nothing more to do.”

One question constantly torments me: how is it possible to carry out four operations at once for a simple cleansing of the sinuses? Not a day goes by without me regretting believing this doctor's promises, without feeling guilty for accepting this dangerous, harmful and unnecessary surgery. Jean-Louis D.

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Testimonial from Christina L. (France) 12 February 2018

2007: First operation (bilateral meatoectomy)

I was first operated on by Dr. B., otolaryngologist in Sainte-Maxime, for dental implant migration and presence of aspergillosis in the maxillary sinus, following a previously performed CT scan. (I would like to point out that I had forgotten my CT scan that day and Dr. B. decided to perform the surgery anyway).

Afterwards I started getting big scabs, I had terrible migraines but Dr. B. said it was normal and I just needed to rinse my nose with salt water. My condition worsened: it became very infected. One morning I woke up with my left eye closed and purulent.

2008: Second operation (septoplasty + partial lower turbinatomy)

My GP sent me urgently to Timone where I had another operation to remove the infection. Even so, I continued to cheat every day. My family doctor did not understand why, I consulted several otolaryngologists but none could relieve my problems.

2010: 3rd operation. (septoplasty + total resection of the turbinates

Dr. S., otolaryngologist, suggested straightening my nasal septum, and assured me that it would solve my problems. After the surgery he informed me that he had widened the passage further by removing the few remaining turbinates!

Since then, my health has continued to deteriorate. I still blow my nose often and get recurrent infections as a result of an atrophic nasal mucosa and as I am missing my turbinates, I also lack the natural ability to filter the air and I often suffer from bronchitis and have to use antibiotics to recover.

I have developed a chronic cough and am plagued by thick, suffocating phlegm that often wakes me up at night. My sleep is no longer restorative and I am very tired. My facial pain has increased significantly.

I have become depressed and sometimes have dark thoughts. However, I continue to work as a teacher, but with this terrible pain (I use a lot of ibuprofen for relief) I admit that it is becoming increasingly difficult to teach in these conditions...

For a long time I did not understand what was happening, because the ENT doctors' answer was always the same: "We can't do anything" but no one could tell what I was suffering from until Dr. B., otolaryngologist in Cogolin, diagnosed me with Empty Nose Syndrome, and lamented the harmful operations which he called "slaughter" .

He offered no solution, not surprisingly, because there is none / Christina L.

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Story by Serge Z. (France) December 17, 2017

At age eight: The ear, nose and throat doctor at the Hôpital des Enfants Malades aggravated my sinusitis by punctures in my maxillary sinuses, as well as injections of penicillin both in the sinuses and generally.

He claimed that I had a bacteria that was resistant to all antibiotics without trying other antibiotics, without performing any bacteriological tests on the nasal secretions, or doing any antibiotic sensitivity tests...

In September 1968: At the age of nineteen, the same doctor extremely aggravated my frontal sinusitis with PROETZ flushes, as well as injections of chloramphenicol into the sinuses, and aerosols of chloramphenicol and bacteriophages.

He also burned the turbinates in the left nostril, causing Empty Nose Syndrome.

This doctor is the author of a book published at Maloine (1959) on sinusitis and its treatment, in which he claimed to be able to cure sinusitis without surgery. Because of him I constantly suffer from worsening frontal sinusitis which causes extremely severe headaches.

In 1984: My sinusitis caused a bleeding rectocolitis (a chronic inflammatory bowel disease) that required a total colectomy (removal of the colon), through three operations at Saint Antoine Hospital.

Since 2006: I am assessed as disabled in category II by CPAM. / Serge Z.

Story by Jean-Yves C. (France) December 17, 2017

July 2009: I feel a foul-smelling pain in my throat, and my mother sends me to an ear, nose and throat doctor. He determines that I have caseum (smelly whitish spots), and at the same time examines my nose and my ears. He says my nose is blocked. He suggests removal of the tonsils as well as a bilateral lower amputation of the turbinates, and says that there is only a 1% chance of failure, that the operation is harmless, and that I will breathe much better afterwards. He also wants to do a Septoplasty because he claims that my nasal septum is crooked. I trust him and agree to the operation which will take place on November 4, 2009.

After the operation, the consequences are catastrophic. I feel sick, anxious, clench my teeth, have a constant headache, feel cold and can't sleep. I even have difficulty speaking. I tell my family and go back to the ear, nose and throat doctor who doesn't want to know and leaves me. I consult my family doctor, do various tests and blood tests, and see several ear, nose and throat doctors. Some are silent, others are curious as to who performed the operation and why, and if the operating doctor had suggested any treatment before the operation?

Since this surgery I have continued to feel very ill. In addition to the aforementioned symptoms, I no longer have a runny nose, my nose burns, scabs, and I sneeze blood in the winter...

2012:

Three years after this destructive operation, I search the Internet for "turbinatomy", the cause of Empty Nose Syndrome, and there is the disaster: I finally understand what I suffer from day and night!

I have today consulted twenty doctors and professors in the ear, nose and throat area, without finding any solution, because there is none. My life is completely ruined, I suffer around the clock. Since this operation I have become depressed, and I regularly see a psychiatrist who prescribes sleeping pills and anti-depressants, as well as taking tramadol, a pain reliever based on morphine.

May 2016:

After warning my parents for months, I swallow 150 stilnox sleeping pills: a dramatic suicide attempt. I am alive, but hell continues for me and many others. I wish these malicious operations are banned because they are too dangerous!

I was twenty-seven years old when I underwent this destructive operation, a young man who was happy when my life changed overnight.

Today I am thirty-five years old and in a deplorable condition, and my dark thoughts remain and will remain until medicine is developed! I say STOP TURBINATOMY! Jean-Yves C.

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Story from Stéphanie L. (New Caledonia) November 26, 2017

August 2013 (first operation)

I complain of pain on the left side of the face (tingling) and moderate facial edema. My general practitioner orders a CT scan, and I consult a primary ear, nose and throat doctor who diagnoses a dental filling, as he says, in the left sinus. He says, "I will widen the entrance to the sinus to be able to remove the dental filling." I therefore have surgery on August 26 with a left middle meatotomy. The specimen shows "a chronic inflammation and no suspicious lesions, subject to fixation artifacts." Immediately after the operation, pain occurs in the left nostril with nasal congestion, which, according to the ear, nose and throat doctor, is psychosomatic and which intensified in September 2013.

October 2013:

I consult a new ear, nose and throat doctor who prescribes a CT scan and takes a sample from the left nostril, which reveals the presence of staphylococcus aureus, a result of the operation. He follows me until February 2014 to treat the staphylococci with continuous antibiotic therapy and sinus rinses.

He writes: "I have compared the examination with the one performed on August 22, 2013. Since the previous examination, the patient has undergone a middle meatotomy with a left middle turbinate...". The CT report also notes "consisting of mild hyperplasia of the sinus mucosa with presence of dental filling in the sinus...".

 

Middle meatotomy – A surgical procedure in which an opening is made in the middle part of the sinus (meatus) to improve drainage and visibility of the sinuses. This procedure is done to treat problems such as blockages in the sinuses.

Left Middle Turbinotomy – An operation in which the middle turbinate (turbinate) on the left side of the nose is removed or reduced. Turbinotomy is done to improve airflow through the nose and relieve symptoms such as nasal congestion.

 

The first ear, nose and throat doctor has performed a radical left amputation of my middle turbinates, in addition to the meatotomy, without this being mentioned in my operative report and without being informed in advance...

March 2014 (second operation):

The otolaryngologist wants to remove the tooth filling, so I am having a meatotomy and sinus floor scraping to clear the remaining tooth material. The test shows no acute inflammation and no foreign object.

From March 2014 to March 2017:

Further increasing pain, in addition to those previously mentioned, occurs: constant posterior nasal discharge, yellow, green, red or gray runny nose, pain in the ear (problems with pressure equalization, feeling of blocked ear), pain in the eye, pain on the left side of the face, burning pain in the nostril when I breathe, toothache, lump at the base of the skull, migraine, sleep problems, fatigue, shortness of breath.

I see several times the other ear, nose and throat doctor who constantly repeats: "Everything is fine, ma'am, in the ear, nose and throat area, go to a dentist", implying that all my pains are psychosomatic... I therefore consult a dentist several times who does a dental CT and says: "I have treated a tooth. Everything is fine: in the dental area", but my pains are still present and increasing...

March 2017:

I consult a third ear, nose and throat doctor who orders three CT scans. The truth finally comes out! I am not crazy or depressed: my pains have an organic cause.

Here is what he writes: "Symptomatic facial nerve pain induced and sustained by a maxillary sinus pathology. Anatomically destroyed by previous procedures with a mutilating resection of the entire inferior turbinate and sinus nasal wall. Catastrophic iatrogenic situation. Uncontrollable pains. The situation is extremely complex. His iatrogenic damage is great and the reconstruction complicated.I understand that I have been destroyed..

April 2017:

My medical record is sent to a professor of ENT in Paris, specialized in neurosurgery and complex ENT pathologies, with a request for a neurologist's opinion. (Time for visit set to 30 November 2017)

May 2017:

I consult a neurologist in Nouméa and also a neurologist from Sydney who diagnoses a symptomatic nerve pain caused by endonasal surgery. He orders an MRI and requests an assessment from a fourth ear, nose and throat doctor.

June/July/August 2017:

I consult the fourth ear, nose and throat doctor who starts a basic treatment. I undergo MRI which shows no obvious abnormalities in facial acoustic bundles and trigeminal nerve. The fourth ear, nose and throat doctor then changes my basic treatment. The diagnosis Empty Nose Syndrome is lifted. Here's what the neurologist says: "Empty Nose Syndrome? A professional opinion is necessary, we are not competent in your case."

I also want to point out that the third ear, nose and throat doctor talked about mutilation, a catastrophically bad iatrogenic situation but never wrote that I had Empty Nose Syndrome. It was only when I saw a TV program: "Engrenage infernal: offre de la médecine" where Eric Canaux, victim of ENS, was interviewed, that I understood that I was suffering from this iatrogenic disease... When I mentioned Empty Nose Syndrome, the last two ENTs confirmed it, although they didn't write it.

Since August 28, 2017, I have been on long-term sick leave, the occupational health service has declared me unable to return to my work at the moment and my condition requires psychiatric follow-up. I have since been on long term sick leave.I am attaching my CT scan to show the mutilation I have been subjected to and the danger of endonasal surgery... Stephanie L.

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Testimony of Sandrine I. (France) 11 November 2017

Before I begin my story, I would like to clarify that, due to the consequences of endonasal surgery, I am classified as a category II invalid.

I have no middle turbinates left after a bilateral ethmoidectomy in 1997. I also had a total resection of my inferior turbinates, and I now only have 20% of my inferior turbinates left on the left and 50% on the right. This as a result of the lower Total turbinatomy that was performed in 2008. I have undergone four endonasal surgeries.

1997:

First operation: bilateral ethmoidectomy. I had many polyps due to my asthma and various allergies (food, mites, cypress, grass).

2002:

Second surgery: because the polyps had come back, I had to have surgery again for a left polypectomy.

2008:

Third operation: collapse of the nasal vault with lower reduction of the turbinates. After this procedure, my condition worsens, several disabling symptoms appear: recurring headaches, dry nose, inability to sneeze, laryngitis after laryngitis, paradoxical nasal congestion (admitted in a letter from an ENT specialist), insomnia, nightmares with a feeling of suffocation, chronic fatigue, I suffer a lot on the left side of the nose. For the past year and a half, I have had constant infections, including staph infections, facial pain, and hyperventilation.

The condition of my nasal lining is not good and I have been diagnosed with atrophic rhinitis (an atrophic/degenerative change of my nasal lining due to too wide open nasal cavity). My pulmonologist has also noted that, in addition to my asthma, I have dyspnea (breathing problems) and a constant secondary infection from the many endonasal surgeries. I have therefore returned to the surgeon who operated on me, but he has abandoned me.

February 2017:

Fourth operation: I was so infected that, on the advice of Benoît R. (an ENS victim), I consulted Professor C. in Nice who took care of me by performing a restoration of the left meatotomy for chronic ethmoiditis and a cleansing to remove the infection, because I could no longer get rid of the staphylococci that had invaded my nose.

Professor C. said he could do no more and advised me not to undergo any more operations. He admitted that I only had 20% of the concha left, while at least 50% is needed for the concha to be able to do their filtering work... You immediately understand what that means, but he didn't write anything about it. However, when we explained our sufferings and symptoms, he did not deny them. When I was hospitalized, he was very attentive and responsive.

In the last two years I have seen two ENT specialists from the Alpes-Maritimes, who have diagnosed me with Empty Nose Syndrome.

November 18, 2016:

Mrs. I. has already undergone several operations on her sinuses, and unfortunately a very large part of the concha has been removed. This has led to her nose feeling empty and wide open, especially on the left side. The sinuses located to the side of the nose (the maxillary) and behind the nose (the ethmoidal) have connected with the nasal cavity, creating a large space that does not drain properly. It's still there on the left side..."25 September 2017:

The other ENT specialist noted: "The most recent operation was in February 2017 with a restoration of the left meatotomy for chronic ethmoiditis. An inflammatory mucosa is noted. However, there are no lower turbinates left and I believe this patient has an empty nose syndrome , that is, there is a paradoxical feeling of blockage because there is no sensitivity of the mucous membrane to the air flow, giving the impression that the air does not pass even though it is very well ventilated d. The microbiological sample shows a Klebsiella oxytoca, an unusual bacteria. .. It is also noted in her medical history that she has allergies to grass pollen, which does not improve the local situation... No more surgical interventions can be done, only local treatment and good nasal hygiene...”

Since then, my condition has continued to deteriorate , and in addition to the aforementioned devastating symptoms, I now also suffer from gastroesophageal reflux, which doesn't make matters any better. I don't know if it is related to Empty Nose Syndrome...

When I have a lot of pain, I take cortisone, which relieves the inflammation somewhat, but when the treatment ends, my symptoms return. This drug prevents me from sleeping, so now I get tramadol for the pain . I regularly undergo acupuncture sessions to try to alleviate my suffering. I also take an antihistamine, recommended by the ENT specialist, which he says can help me and improve my sleep.

Of course, this poor state of health has psychological effects: I regularly feel depressed and mentally exhausted. Fortunately, I am fortunate to be understood by my husband and friends, unlike other victims of Empty Nose Syndrome.

I now know that a polyposis in the nose due to an allergic condition cannot be cured. Sure, you can remove the polyps when they are too bothersome, but they will grow back. If my ethmoidectomy was warranted for the removal of my polyps, what about the lower turbinate amputation performed in 2008? A destructive, dangerous, unnecessary and inappropriate operation responsible for my disabling condition and my many sufferings. Sandrine l

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Marie Hélène B testimony (France) 23 October 2017

Since I was seven years old, I have always had a cold and been sick, with recurring sinus infections, eight times a year, each time treated with antibiotics and cortisone. I had also been diagnosed with an allergy to mites, dust and grass after a sensitivity test.

Year 1969:

I underwent a first endonasal surgery: septoplasty, because I had a deviated nasal septum and blocked nose. However, this operation turned out to be completely unnecessary: there was no improvement in my health.

Year 1996:

As my problems persisted, I consulted an ear, nose and throat doctor who suggested a second operation. I finally agreed in the hope of improvement and had surgery for a bilateral turbinectomy with extensive resection of my lower and middle turbinates . I would like to point out that the doctor never informed me or explained the nature or the secondary risks of this surgery, or that he would perform this procedure in advance. He only said that my health would improve, which was not the case even after I did the spa.

Year 1998:

Since there was still no improvement, the doctor suggested that I undergo a third operation. This time I was operated on for a meatalotomy. After the operation, I first noticed an improvement: my nose was finally open and I had fewer sinus infections, which only occurred during allergy periods.

meatalotomy . This procedure involves making an incision or opening in the nasal passage (meatus) to improve drainage from the sinuses.

But eventually I began to feel that something was wrong: I had too much air when inhaling and felt that my nose was too open, as if it was no longer filtering anything. I felt discomfort from the rapid flow of unfiltered air in my nostrils and became hypersensitive to temperature changes. I could no longer cope with drafts, cold, heat, air conditioning or heating.

Year 2016:

After two months of treatment and a course, my sinuses finally opened up, but this improvement was short-lived and the symptoms I mentioned earlier gradually returned. I had an x-ray which showed "a bilateral turbinectomy with extensive resection of my lower and middle turbinates".

When I searched for "turbinectomy" online, I came across "Empty Nose Syndrome" which is an iatrogenic disease that develops after a turbinectomy or resection of the turbinates. I finally understood what I was suffering from!! I immediately made an appointment with the doctor and asked if I had Empty Nose Syndrome? He confirmed that I had this disease.

He advised me to consult a pulmonologist who said that everything was fine and that my allergies had disappeared as if by magic, but I noticed that my condition was deteriorating.

In December 2016:

I spent ten days in a house under renovation, which made the situation even worse. I inhaled all the dust because I no longer had a filter in my nose, which led to sinusitis, bronchitis and asthma and another treatment for two months.

Over the years, other symptoms have arisen: recurring headaches, facial pain, hyperventilation, clear or thick mucus constantly running down the back of my throat with a constantly stuffy nose, and an inability to sneeze. I feel that my nose is too open, but I have the impression that it is blocked. Already in the morning I am tired. My sleep is also affected if I have purulent sinusitis or a bad cold; I am constantly out of breath.

When I go out, I am forced to wear a scarf over my nose at all times due to my hypersensitivity to temperature changes, as I can no longer cope with air suddenly rushing into my nostrils.

Because of all this, I am often depressed because I am aware that there is no solution, no treatment, no conceivable cure. Empty Nose Syndrome is an irreversible iatrogenic disease caused by endonasal surgery .Marie-Hélène B.

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Ludovic Sery's testimony on Empty Nose Syndrome (ENS)

Hello everyone, As a victim of Empty Nose Syndrome (ENS) since 2002, this blog is my testimony about how I discovered the syndrome and what I have done to overcome it.

Background to ENS: ENS is an iatrogenic disease, meaning it is caused by medical errors. For me, it is an operation performed by an ear, nose and throat doctor: turbinectomy (bilateral or total). This surgery is a deviation performed and recommended by ear, nose and throat doctors for chronic rhinitis, recurrent nasal congestion caused by allergies, hormone problems or nasal septum deviation. For these specialists, the turbinates swell, and the solution is to remove them.

The problem is that they behave more like butchers than surgeons, because they operate on the turbinates without understanding their function. To them it is a harmless procedure, but it is not at all the case, because otolaryngologists who perform these operations minimize the role and importance of the turbinates, and the patients they condemn to disability by removing part or all of the turbinates suffer hard.

A little explanation for those who haven't read: Wikipedia on Empty Nose Syndrome , otherwise skip to the story.

Only a few otolaryngologists in France are aware of the role of the turbinates and their complexity. In the United States, a report has been made on their importance and prohibits all interventions on them after seeing an alarming number of victims. Dr. Steven Houser says: "Our nose is our lungs". The clams are crucial; they act as a pressure regulator for the air we breathe thanks to their shape. Any intervention on them leads to breathing problems, such as getting too much or too little air, poor pressure regulation. They also help to warm the air we breathe in, which is important for filtering what we breathe in: the humidity level of the air and the function of the nose are crucial for dealing with dust, cold air, pollutants and microbes. In addition, in the nostrils there are airflow sensors that are directly connected to the brain to inform it of the amount of air inhaled and reaching the lungs, making it even more important to have the right amount of air, heating and filtration. In short, changes or removal of the turbinates can cause major damage. It's like having a car with a misadjusted air flow meter and a broken air filter!

Some ear, nose and throat doctors in France have realized the mistakes of their colleagues and are beginning to care for their victims and consider their suffering. Some try to "repair" but only those who really know the syndrome. No operation is truly perfect; for my part, after many rejections, I can't recommend using implants, except ear cartilage implants, but I don't have enough testimonials to make a serious recommendation.

Here begins my story:

Had surgery on the turbinates in 2002 with bilateral turbinectomies (my lower turbinates were amputated), then developed the syndrome a few months later. My nose often became inflamed, something that almost never happened before. I began to regret the operation that was claimed to be without risk. My throat and mouth were constantly dry, I was constantly thirsty and had difficulty breathing. I thought the anesthesia had tired my heart, and that a little exercise would help. I had rhinorrhea (nasal congestion), and I thought my nose wasn't working properly after the surgery. I was hoping it would get better. The problem was that it got worse with headaches every night, abnormal rhinorrhea, bad smell from the nose, difficulty breathing and recurring ear, nose and throat infections. I really preferred my previous allergic rhinitis, which only plagued me four months a year. Now it was a year-long nightmare, especially during the winter.

I went to an ear, nose and throat doctor a year later to complain. For him, I was "too sensitive to temperature changes" and a "small nature". He gave me medicine to strengthen my immune system. To him the operation was a success, and he didn't see why I was complaining.

Doctors and otolaryngologists in Grenoble did not understand why I was complaining. My attending physician and an ear, nose, and throat physician acknowledged that the problem was a therapeutic risk. I got nasal inflation, more rinses with mineral water, sodium bicarbonate and anti-inflammatory drugs, and fatigue. I showed severe symptoms of depression as a result of declining health and was prescribed anti-anxiety drugs, anti-depressants and sleeping pills. My first suicide attempt was in 2005; I was "locked up" for a month in Remoulin in the south of France. I won't go into details, I only stayed two weeks. The second attempt was by trying to drown after escaping from there, but it was unsuccessful.

It caused me problems at work, where I was absent too often according to my former boss. I was laid off for financial reasons in 2008 with no surprise. I was able to put a name to these symptoms when I accidentally googled "turbinectomy danger" and found the article "turbinectomy attention danger" and the link to Wikipedia on Empty Nose Syndrome.

I read a testimony that caught my interest, from Alain, who after being operated by Dr. Ayoun at the Clinic du Louvre in Paris, doing much better. I contacted Alain, then Jonathan called me and Benoit gave me information via email, and I got an appointment with the doctor a month and a half later. In my case, I had nothing to lose after two suicide attempts; I had to try everything possible to get out of this state.

I was therefore operated on by Dr. Ayoun on June 25, 2009 It wasn't that long ago. I got acrylic implants via to replace the nasal concha artificially.

This surgery is new, and I can't really recommend doing it, but I have heard of rejection (3 people), and I hope I won't have that. I can't say much more for now. The operation is new, but I have noticed an improvement in my health; immediately after waking up the extreme dry feeling in the throat and mouth disappeared. I was completely swollen and felt less air coming in, but it was much more comfortable in terms of nasal comfort, hard to explain. But more concretely, my headaches have almost disappeared, I no longer have breathing difficulties and inflammations in the ears, nose and throat are less frequent and when they occur they last half as long as before, two days instead of three to five days.

Many people like me suffer from ENS without knowing it. Very few doctors and specialists know about ENS. For me, the improvement in my physical condition makes me feel better mentally. The two are connected in the ENS. It's getting better, but I live in uncertainty of a rejection.

Turning the page is the best thing to do, but I have a testimony to give and a battle to fight. I can't look at myself in the mirror every morning without having done what I could for people like me. Without the testimonies of Alain and Jonathan, I would still be suffering and going through ENS.

Now you have my testimony too. Ludovic Sery September 30, 2009

Ludovic Sery later took his own life and his memorial video is here.

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Francoise M: Testimony (France) victim of Empty Nose Syndrome

8 October 2017, Written by SNVPublished in #Vittnesmål

I've always had ear-nose-throat problems since I was little: recurring strep throat, rhinopharyngitis, etc. I grew up with antibiotics, nasal drops, and over time I did spa baths, but my state of health remained unchanged.

After x-rays and scans, I consulted an ear-nose-throat specialist whom I trusted, without having any special knowledge. He promised me that he would fix my nose because I had a slight deviated septum, which he said would lead to excellent breathing and no more ear, nose, and throat problems. I ended up accepting his intervention in the belief that I would be cured.

In 2003, I therefore underwent a septoplasty and a reduction of the lower turbinates without being informed of the risks and secondary consequences. My operative report stated: "Septoplasty, Conchotomy. Cartilaginous and then bony resection... Excision of left inferior turbinate and part of right inferior turbinate. Luxation of left turbinate, same technique on right."

Very soon after the operation, not only did my previously described symptoms persist, but my condition also worsened. I returned to the surgeon who asked me to be patient and said everything would be fine with time. At that time, I think I consulted every ear-nose-throat specialist in the Alpes-Maritimes, who all gave me the same answer: "Let time take its course, be patient, your nose is perfect, the operation went well!"

But I suffered more and more. My GP always gave me antibiotics, cortisone, nose drops etc. It was like before but even worse! Headache, facial pain, dryness, crusting and burning sensations in the nose, post-nasal secretions running down the throat, thick and sticky mucus, pain in the ears and chronic inflammation, swollen face and eyes all the time, tearfulness. I want to point out that since this operation I take Lexomil to sleep and when I wake up I am always tired. A pain to live with daily! At the time, I didn't know what I was really suffering from. Nobody told me the truth.

Until the day I found through the Internet the website of the Association for Empty Nose Syndrome. I was finally able to put a name to my symptoms and real suffering, but above all that it was not an imagination as all these doctors claimed. I now know that I suffer from Empty Nose Syndrome because in 2003 an otolaryngologist removed my lower turbinates by performing this Konkotomy . I have no left concha and a small part of the right concha. I know there are no treatments and I have to live with it.

I just want to be recognized by ENT specialists who confirm that I suffer from Empty Nose Syndrome. Here, too, it is a struggle. For the past three years I have been fighting to get this diagnosis and this written acknowledgment from ENT specialists. But no, they just state that my nose is too open! It is very difficult to be recognized by the medical community, especially when suffering from an iatrogenic disease (caused by endonasal surgery).

Absence of recognition even from those close to me and within my professional life: no one wants to understand, no one is interested in Empty Nose Syndrome. A silent suffering that made me drown in alcohol in 2011, to numb my burning sensations in my nose and this constant pain…

Today I have understood that it was not the solution and I have been sober for five years, I have risen and now I want to shout out that I suffer from Empty Nose Syndrome, the cause of this mutilating surgery called Konkotomy. Let's fight to finally be recognized. / Francois M.

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Sam's testimony (France) victim of Empty Nose Syndrome
October 6, 2017, Written by SNVPublished in #Testimonies

I have undergone two endonasal surgeries for an allergic rhinitis problem. I had basically no problems before and lived life to the fullest, but I, like many other victims, trusted an ENT surgeon who ruined my life and left me incapacitated. I now have severe breathing problems and I am testifying today to warn others of the dangers of these devastating surgeries.

This surgeon promised that the operation would change my life. He performed the operation without first conducting allergy tests or other examinations. I just had a harmless x-ray which noted "a subtle mucosal thickening".

On July 4, 2016, I underwent a rhinoseptoplasty, a total ethmoidectomy, a mid-meatotomy, and an inferior radiofrequency turbinoplasty. The surgeon removed my medial turbinates without my consent and without mentioning it in the surgery report.

 

Rhinoseptoplasty : Surgery to correct the shape of the nose and/or the nasal septum (septum).

Total ethmoidectomy : Removal of all parts of the ethmoid bony structure located at the eye socket.

Middle meaatotomy : Surgery that widens the medial part of the nasal passages to improve air flow.

Inferior turbinoplasty with radiofrequency : Reshaping of the lower turbinates using radiofrequency energy to reduce their size.

 

I bled for over a month, and after the post-op plates were removed, I immediately felt something was wrong. My breathing became strange, and since then I hardly sleep at all, suffer from insomnia, and postnasal secretions choke me non-stop. I can't cheat anymore. I experience constant fatigue, as well as nasal and sinus-related pain.

I returned to the surgeon for clarification, and he said everything was normal and that it was synechiae (tissue adhesions/post-operative sequelae) that were causing my symptoms. I believed him because I trusted him.

At the same time, I consulted another ENT doctor who gave the same diagnosis and sent me to a pulmonologist for several tests, including a polygraph (sleep study) which revealed thirty-five sleep apneas. The pulmonologist confirmed that my problem was ear-nose-throat-related.

The more days passed, the faster my condition deteriorated. I tried to forget it as best I could by spending a few months in the mountains. I underwent two spa treatments, without results. The only thing that relieves me is a steam bath.

Five months later, my condition had worsened further. I returned to Paris and went back to the ENT doctor who seemed troubled (tenth visit), and explained that I was getting worse. He prescribed me Rhinomaxil and washes and assured me that everything would be fine after the operation.

In the meantime I consulted five ENT doctors in Paris who all assured me that everything was normal and without exception told me to return to the surgeon who had operated on me and not to come back to them . I therefore made an appointment with my general practitioner and explained my sufferings after the operation. He did a scan of the sinuses which revealed chronic sinusitis in the ethmoid and frontal sinuses, a total medial conchotomy of the middle turbinates, and some fractures of the nasal bones themselves.

The radiologist exclaimed, "Who did this?" I replied, "My surgeon."

And there I was shocked. I went on the internet and searched for keywords: turbinotomy, turbinoplasty and found testimonials about Empty Nose Syndrome.

I returned to the surgeon with the scan and asked for explanations. I said, "Why did you do this to me? I trusted you and you have ruined my life." He replied: "Empty Nose Syndrome doesn't exist anymore, it was in the 1970s and 1980s." According to him, it is impossible to develop Empty Nose Syndrome from a conchotomy of the middle turbinates or from a radiofrequency treatment.

He claimed my problem was due to synechiae, two in the right nostril and one in the left. He scheduled surgery a month later to cut out the turbinoseptal synechia and said everything would be fine after the surgery. I trusted him.

On April 24, 2017, I underwent a second operation: the result was disastrous. I was in the recovery room for five hours and had a lot of bleeding; the sphenopalatine artery was damaged during surgery. The nurse had to call several times the surgeon who had left the clinic and inform him that he had to return urgently. The surgeon came back at 8 p.m.

I underwent a second anesthesia for bilateral coagulation of the sphenopalatine artery. Post-operative complications were "ten times worse". Since then I have had severe frontal pains, can hardly stand up, suffer from dizziness, a chronic cough that chokes me even when I breathe through my mouth, an extreme thirst that I didn't have before, I can no longer breathe through my nose or sleep. Blood tests confirmed that my hemoglobin level had dropped by 5 points.

I later learned after receiving my surgery report that the otolaryngologist had performed a re-operation of ethmoidectomy, sphenodotomy and bilateral middle meatotomy without my consent.

Since then, my condition continues to deteriorate. I hardly go out anymore, see no one and am a shadow of myself. Sometimes I pray not to live, the pain is unbearable. Sam

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Testimony of Alexandre (Mexico) 23 August 2017

After a total removal of one lower concha and two-thirds of the other in 2002, I experienced chronic sinusitis, difficulty breathing through the nose (air did not pass or was insufficient), burning in the nose and sore throat with cold or physical exertion, great fatigue, dark circles under the eyes, hoarse voice and antibiotics six times a year to fight respiratory infections.

I often got out of breath even on longer sentences and had to take breaks to recover. I felt so bad that I decided to have an operation as I described in my post, suggested by a surgeon in Mexico. I needed to do something and this surgery seemed the most logical to me. I am an engineer and approached the problem scientifically after reading up on the subject.

The operation involved taking part of the parietal bone (skull), shaping it into two rods and inserting it under the nasal mucosa through an incision above the upper lip. This would fill some of the voids in the nasal cavities. The surgeon also placed great emphasis on giving the rods an aerodynamic profile to allow air to flow freely, like an airplane wing, and to avoid turbulence.

I also had several fractures in my nasal septum that were an "S" shape, with corners where air didn't circulate and where infections collected. The surgeon "corrected" the nasal septum.

Since the sinus outlets were blocked and the sinuses were not draining, the surgeon opened them and suctioned everything out. After the operation, he said the cavities were filled with it.

Today, a year and a half after the operation, I feel much better. I would say that the problem of Empty Nose Syndrome is largely solved. I feel the air passing through one or the other nostril. The feeling is neither unpleasant nor pleasant, but a normal air flow.

Before the operation, there was always an obstacle, a sound, a discomfort or something abnormal. Now I generally sleep very well, have much less dark circles under my eyes, less trouble communicating, haven't had a sinus infection and haven't taken antibiotics in a year and a half.

Not everything is perfect, of course: I often have thick secretions in my throat and have to spit once or twice a day on average. But my voice is not seriously affected. And about every other month I still get a cold with symptoms like sore throat, cough, stuffy nose and thick discharge, which takes a week to clear up. It often seems to coincide with a colleague at work also falling ill.

I treat this without antibiotics, with an over the counter antiviral drug, throat lozenges and a hypertonic solution in the nose in very small doses to avoid bleeding. During these sick days I usually sleep with a sticker to keep the nostrils open and in a semi-recumbent position in a rocking chair, as I often did before surgery.

And strangely enough, I no longer feel the allergy symptoms that I often had before: hay fever, runny nose, itchy eyes… all these have disappeared.

A year and a half after the operation, I consider it a success. I hope it continues like this and maybe I can even boost my immune system so I don't get a cold every two months. My message here is that there are solutions to improve the condition after a turbinotomy. If it's not by using the parietal bone, you can also use the iliac bone or articular cartilage, as I've read. And maybe one day surgeons will agree on a definitive solution that can also regenerate the nasal mucosa. I wish you all the best and hope this testimony is helpful.

Sincerely, Alexandre G.

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Testimonial from Yann (France) 29 May 2017

Hello, My name is Yann, I am 36 years old, and I will tell you my story about a laser cauterization of the nose performed in February 2016 in Toulouse with Dr. L.

Before this ambulatory surgery, I had a fulfilling life both family-wise and professionally. I participated in marathons and triathlons. I breathed in joy of life, especially since in 2015 I had married the woman of my life and had just received my degree as an accountant.

At the end of 2015 I decided to consult an ENT specialist in Tarbes due to some snoring and quite frequent sinus infections. He recommended that I see the most experienced ENT specialist in Toulouse.

After this meeting, the professor informed me that my case was suitable for laser cauterization of the nose. During the conversation, looking him straight in the eye, I told him that if there was any risk with this surgery, I would prefer not to have it done (as I had previously looked up the risks of Empty Nose Syndrome online).

He assured me there was no risk, apart from possibly some minor post-operative bleeding. Having confidence in the medical profession and advanced medicine in France, I felt at ease and a meeting with Dr. L. was therefore booked in for the beginning of February 2016. The day of the operation was hell, I was in terrible pain and was sweating all over. Afterwards, the doctor prescribed me a month's treatment (Dérinox, nasal rinse).

Then hell began. I couldn't breathe without Dérinox, I barely had any sleep for a month despite an excellent lifestyle. I felt suffocated at home, I no longer felt the flow of air through my nostrils, I was dizzy, nauseous and cried from exhaustion.

The summer of 2016 was disastrous, with frequent awakenings, sleep disturbances (which I had never experienced before), exhaustion, I could no longer feel the airflow and I was suffocating day and night. My professional activities became very difficult to manage, especially with my frequent travels.

I decided to make an appointment with the professor again in September 2016, who had said that there were no risks with the laser cauterization.

In his report he wrote "Mr is breathing better" because there is more air flow after the cauterization. It was the complete opposite of what I had told him and which he denied hearing, let alone writing.

I decided to take steps to help myself breathe and to remain calm during periods of suffocation and exhaustion.

Since September 2016 I have been attending group yoga, breathing osteopathy, sophrology and homeopathy.

At the beginning of 2017 I decided to see an independent ENT specialist in Tarbes again. After examining my nasal mucous membranes, he wrote:

"You have desiccated, atrophied nasal membranes. Your nerves and autonomic nervous system have been affected, causing all the symptoms described (no longer feeling the flow of air, suffocation, dry nose, dry eyes, sleep disturbance, fatigue, pain behind the head and around the eyes, frequent awakenings , dizziness, stress, tears)." He also wrote that I exhibited all the factors for Empty Nose Syndrome and that unfortunately there is nothing to be done, and that I would not come back to him as he could not do anything for many years in France.

Since then, my suffering continues and it also affects my loved ones (and God knows how grateful I am that they are there: my parents, my beloved wife). I also meet great people on the Empty Nose Syndrome forum on Facebook, we help each other continue our fight. Periods of extreme heat and very low humidity and non-recovery nights have become hell . Every day and night I plan how to combine my work life and my travels with my illness. I feel like a zombie, like I'm just surviving.

At the end of May 2017, I made an appointment at the Aqua Klinik in Germany to try to repair myself with their treatment based on stem cells, so that my mucous membranes burned by the nasal cauterization will return to their pre-surgery function. I am therefore scheduled to go to Germany to undergo treatment Ref 3 from 4 to 6 September 2017.

Meanwhile, I will undergo a thermal cure in Bagnères de Bigorre for three weeks in July 2017.

My situation scares me, but I continue to fight until my last breath for me and my loved ones in the hope that Aqua Klinik can save me from this hell.

Do not destroy your life and that of your relatives. Consult several ENT specialists before undergoing a laser cauterization of the nose. / Yann

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Story by Alisson T. (France) January 20, 2017, Written by SNV

Hello everyone, I am 24 years old and suffer from Empty Nose Syndrome. I wanted to share my journey as a victim... Here is my testimony.

At the age of 17, I started getting sinus infections once a month: the headaches were then rare and tolerable, and my nose still had moisture. Over time my sinus infections became more and more frequent, I was constantly on antibiotics and the headaches got worse. I therefore decided to consult an ear-nose-throat (ENT) specialist, who suggested a septoplasty because I had a crooked nasal septum.

2013

I was 21 years old when I had the operation. The three weeks after the operation I was in a lot of pain and couldn't breathe (lots of blood clots, terrible headache), but I patiently thought that it was normal post-operative discomfort... Three months later I felt much better, I could finally breathe properly and the headaches had disappeared. For a month everything went well... Unfortunately this improvement was short lived, my symptoms returned and the pain got worse. I returned to the ENT specialist who assured me everything was normal.

2014

A year later: no improvement, my condition worsens: I no longer sleep, I have constant headaches and nasal problems. To improve my symptoms, the ENT specialist suggests a partial conchotomy of the lower turbinates, explains that more space is needed in the nose because it is too narrow, and reassures me to make me feel safe that this operation is harmless today! I therefore accepted this operation, but in retrospect I believe he sold me a dream!!!

And now my suffering begins: I no longer sleep, suffocate when I sleep, my nose is dry, full of scabs and no longer heals. I suffer when I'm outside, whether it's cold or hot... I can't hide anymore, the headache is unbearable, I have no smell and the taste of food has changed! (Morale at zero and mood at rock bottom!) I also have to deal with the incomprehension of my relatives, doctors and ENT specialists.

I go from ENT specialist to ENT specialist. Total denial: no specialist confirms Empty Nose Syndrome, they just "round the subject"! The only thing they diagnose is: "Nasal sprays! Live with these multiple disabling pains and stop thinking about them!" Outrageous! My ENT specialist categorically denies everything...

August 2016

I am told that I suffer from sleep apnea, that my lungs are "tired" because the air coming in is no longer filtered, I am only 24 years old….

A stomatologist (oral health specialist) finally confirms Empty Nose Syndrome. His report states, and I quote, that I "have Empty Nose Syndrome as a result of probably overly aggressive procedures in both nasal cavities, leading to a sense of absence of airflow through the nose due to the absence of turbinates... Unfortunately there is no surgical solution to improve this problem…”. This specialist said I would never get my sense of smell back, which I confirm (I don't have it anymore or very rarely, only with very strong smells...).

As a result, I plan to take legal action with a lawyer to defend myself…

Currently, I have found a treatment with aloe vera, combined with propolis, which relieves my headaches and infections significantly, but it will never replace my old nose…Alisson T.

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Testimony of Stéphanie (Belgium) January 9, 2017

My name is Stéphanie, I am 26 years old and come from Belgium. I have been asthmatic and allergic since early childhood. I had throat surgery at the age of 4.

I want to tell you my story, or rather the nightmare I have been living for the last 3 months after my endonasal surgery. During my teenage years I always had a stuffy nose and nose drops didn't help (severe allergic rhinitis to pollen, mold, mites and animal hair).

2015:

My GP sends me to an ENT specialist who prescribes cortisone based nasal drops. Despite this, my nose remains constantly blocked.

2016:

Seeing no improvement in my condition, I am going back to the ENT specialist. He suggests a septoplasty to correct my nasal septum as well as a radiofrequency conchotomy on the lower turbinates. (My nostrils were enlarged due to the allergic rhinitis.) The surgery is scheduled, and I had a gut feeling not to go through with it. I had surgery on October 10th. Everything went well (I didn't have too much pain but a lot of bleeding), but two weeks later my suffering started: I wake up almost suffocating (lack of air, suffocation, dyspnea and sleep apnea). I wondered what happened to me. I search online and find information about Empty Nose Syndrome and quickly make the connection to my symptoms and pains.

I return to the ear-nose-throat specialist who operated on me and tell about what I'm experiencing. He replies that it is impossible to have Empty Nose Syndrome with radio frequency because I still have my turbinates. I leave, misunderstood, disappointed and confused... My loved ones do not understand what is happening to me and say it is imagination (imaginary illness).

I've been to the ER twice because I felt so bad, but they couldn't find anything and just said it was anxiety and it would go away. Even the first pulmonologist said it was nothing serious.

December 2016:

I consult another pulmonologist who listens to me and performs the first lung tests which turn out to be good. I will soon have a work test with a cardiologist and a polysomnography (sleep study).

My current symptoms: dyspnea, shortness of breath on the slightest exertion, extreme fatigue, suffocation during the night, sleep apnea, dry nose, dry throat, chronic insomnia (I almost have to sleep sitting up), depression, anxiety, and yellowish coughs.

I have no income and live with my parents who are 70 years old and have very high heat (the room temperature is 24 degrees, which aggravates my symptoms. They do not understand and do not accept my illness.

I don't know if I will be recognized by radio frequency. It's already difficult to get a diagnosis of Empty Nose Syndrome after a full conchotomy (removal of the lower and/or middle turbinates), so it's even more complicated for RF... Sure, my lower turbinates are still there and haven't been taken away, but what they avoid telling me is that after this treatment the turbinates no longer work, which leads to these symptoms and the extensive suffering.

At the moment I feel really unable to work because I have bad breathing and am very tired and can't stand temperature changes. The only person I can count on is my best friend who I hug tight. I am worried about the future…Stephanie, Belgium.

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Aurélien's testimony (France) November 5, 2016

When I was 16, after being hit, my nasal septum became deviated. It bothered me a bit for a few years, but not enough for me to consider surgery.

At the age of 22, I began to experience that my nasal breathing was difficult due to the deviated nasal septum. I made an appointment with an otolaryngologist to find a solution to this increasingly noticeable problem.

He immediately suggested an operation on the nasal septum to restore it to its proper position. I asked if there was no other option before we considered surgery. He replied that there was no other solution and that it was the only method to regain "natural" nasal breathing.

I finally agreed to the surgery, believing that the doctor would do a good job and that he was used to it.

July 2013

I underwent a septoplasty with a lower conchotomy. A few days after the braces were removed, I immediately felt something was wrong.

First of all, I noticed that my nasal septum was not properly restored. My right nostril was mostly blocked in the upper part and above all I could no longer feel the air I was breathing.

In the following days I experienced more and more this emptiness, this unpleasant feeling of not breathing and that my breathing was no longer automatic; I had to almost think about breathing.

My sleep became unbearable: because my breathing no longer worked as it should, I often woke up with a jolt because I stopped breathing.

I looked up my symptoms online and quickly linked them to Empty Nose Syndrome. A X-ray a few days later confirmed the diagnosis.

I returned to the "butcher" who had operated on me, but the surgeon would not hear of it... I then consulted another ENT doctor in my region who explained that "he had done the same thing and had cut out the same a lot... According to him I should be breathing well now because the passage is clear...".

Tired of these doctors, I made an appointment with "the supposedly best professor in Lyon". He suggested I take my middle turbinates and moved to the location of my lower turbinates to fill the lower part of the nasal cavity. For him, the middle nostrils were unnecessary!".

I of course declined and quickly left his office. In the meantime, I tried sleeping with a CPAP machine to better feel the air and avoid breathing pauses, but the machine only helped me a little, yet I continued to use it.

February 2014

I underwent a PRP + PRL injection at Dr. Donde, but I didn't notice any improvement. I then conducted a sleep study which showed 20 breath pauses per hour and 40 microwakes per hour….

July 2015

I traveled to the US to Columbus to see Dr. Das for injections with Acell + PRP, which were intended to restore some volume and functionality to my removed turbinates. I underwent 5 injections over a month.

Over two weeks my breathing and symptoms improved, but gradually the volume disappeared and I was back to square one.

At the time of writing, August 2016, the CPAP machine has become ineffective; I stop breathing even with the machine. I believe it is due to "my breathing control" not working properly and to the lack of nasal sensation.

In order to sleep, I have to cover my nose and breathe through my mouth. That way I feel the air a little better, but breathing only through the mouth is not a solution... I sleep very badly and often stop breathing.

During the day I am always very tired and I have great problems with memory, concentration and thinking due to the very poor quality of my sleep.

December 2015

Because of this devastating surgery, these symptoms and constant pain, I have lost my job. I was a mechanical draftsman in an engineering office but I forgot everything… I was and am no longer competent enough to perform my profession correctly.

During the day I feel suffocated and my mucous membrane is very dry. I am desperate… Aurélie

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Mohamed D testimony (France) 17 October 2016

My name is Mohamed, I am 39 years old and suffer from Empty Nose Syndrome, a serious and irreversible iatrogenic disease, as there is no known treatment option today.

Here is my testimony which I hope will enlighten the danger of lower turbinotomy, an operation often performed for swelling of the lower turbinates due to chronic sinus infections or allergies.

I believe that this devastating operation, by depriving me of this essential organ, has reduced my life to one of disability, immeasurable pain and is leading me inevitably towards a gradual deterioration of my health. Before all this I was an athlete, worked and had a social life. Today I'm no longer alive, I'm surviving...

2002

I complained of chronic sinus infections and allergies, and the otolaryngologist I consulted concluded that I had hypertrophy of the inferior turbinates. At the age of 25 I was operated on for a partial bilateral lower conchotomy (amputation of the lower turbinates) . "Partial" is what the surgery report says, but on reflection, the later x-rays and the events that followed, I highly doubt it was really only partial...

Within 3 to 6 months after surgery, my health deteriorated. I, who loved to run, could no longer do it.

Shortness of breath, recurring headaches, fatigue, chronic fatigue, non-restorative sleep and continuous micro awakenings appeared... I was still working, but it was getting difficult. I went from consultation to consultation: I wanted to understand what was happening to me, but no one could put into words my pain: "They say that I have nothing and that it is in my head."

Other symptoms soon began to appear: nasal congestion and dryness, crusting, back secretions, loss of taste and smell, hypersensitivity to temperatures and increased pain in the sinuses, face and head. All this literally exhausted me.

I could no longer work. I stopped going out, withdrew, became anxious and sad. I was no more than a shadow of my former self. My social and family life no longer existed.

2010

I consulted a new ENT doctor who diagnosed Empty Nose Syndrome and wrote:

"The examination shows an empty right nasal cavity with an absence of the inferior turbinate..."

He proposed a septoplasty with reduction of the nasal cavities by implantation of Eyries rods. (The rods would fill the void in the nasal cavities and prevent too much air from entering the nose.)

I accepted this second surgery that was not covered by Social Security, hoping to improve my poor health.

For a month I felt that I was alive again, the air no longer forced its way into my nose, I regained my taste and the many pains disappeared. But soon recurrent infections and previous symptoms returned.

2011

My health deteriorated so much that I underwent a third operation for "abdominal fat injection to supplement the implantation of the Eyries rods". The surgical outcome was disastrous; I could no longer breathe at all.

Facial and sinus pains, headaches intensified with the previously mentioned symptoms, gave me no rest and forced me to lie still for two months, I could not do anything. Day and night I suffered and could no longer sleep.

The infections were increasing, I wanted to remove the Eyries rods! It led to a fourth operation to remove the Eyries rods which was of no use…

With no independence, I moved back in with my parents and mostly lay down because the slightest activity, even eating, exhausted me…

For two years I lived with a PPC, which helped me to breathe somewhat, I consulted a pulmonologist who diagnosed rale bronchiale, cognitive disorders, drowsiness, disturbed and restorative sleep and arranged a polygraph.

Ralle bronchiale (also called bronchial rattle or ronki) is a medical term that describes a certain type of sound that can be heard when auscultating the lungs with a stethoscope. This sound occurs when air passes through narrowed or fluid-filled airways, causing a rasping or crackling sound.

Ralle bronchiale is often associated with various lung and respiratory diseases, such as:

  • Chronic bronchitis
  • Asthma
  • COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease)
  • Lung inflammation (pneumonia)

I also underwent a functional examination which confirmed severe nasal congestion, so I was prescribed breathing and lung exercises by a physiotherapist and psychological treatment at a center which proved to be completely ineffective…

To top off the misery, stomach problems arose, and I underwent three fibroscopies and a gastric biopsy that diagnosed severe ulcerative esophagitis with an ulcer and gastroesophageal reflux problems .

2012, 2013 and 2015

I underwent three more operations to try to improve my situation somewhat:

  • A septoplasty with collagen implants that was not covered by Social Security.
  • An ear cartilage transplant to fill the right nasal cavity.
  • A Cottle septoplasty with a cartilage implant that was not crushed. These three interventions were ineffective… 

Bottom line, I can no longer breathe and my nose is completely "closed". The constant back secretion, sinus pain, facial pain and recurring headaches never leave me... I only sleep intermittently.

The dryness of the nose, my hypersensitivity to humidity, temperature variations, the air violently entering my nasal cavities and recurring infections make my existence a real hell...

The smallest activity requires a huge effort. Bronchial and stomach problems have gradually arisen... I have very little independence and see a general deterioration of my health over time.

I no longer see anyone, conversations tire me. I can no longer concentrate on anything and memory loss is common... I am constantly exhausted, also can't drive and even shopping has become problematic. I can therefore speak of a serious disability related to Empty Nose Syndrome.

January 2016

I saw the surgeon again and his diagnosis was as follows: "Sir, there is nothing more we can do for you, do not operate again."

I conclude with the report from the Maison Départementale des Handicapés which sums things up well:

"Your statements testify to a great mental pain resulting from a surgical operation performed in 2002, the consequences of which are expressed through a variety of physical and mental symptoms that are particularly disabling throughout your everyday life in a way that seems to be increasing. Given your current health as does not allow you to practice any profession, we submit a request for recognition as disabled for work and disabled as an adult." Mohamed D.

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Testimony from FL (France) 16 October 2016

Story from FL (France)
October 16, 2016, written by SNVP, published in #Témoignages

My name is FL, I am 31 years old and was 23 when I underwent this devastating endonasal surgery. At the time, I was a final year student on my way to a brilliant career…

In October 2008

I began to suffer from severe nasal congestion and chronic sinusitis. I couldn't breathe through my nose, which led to disturbed sleep and chronic frontal headaches. I consulted my GP who ordered an MRI, as he thought it might be a neurological problem.

The examination showed that my sinuses were completely blocked. My doctor then sent me to an ENT specialist who suggested a course of antihistamines for several months and talked about surgery to open up the blocked sinuses and thereby resolve the nasal obstruction by fully opening up the nose...

Seeing no improvement in my symptoms (severe pressure in the head, insomnia and nasal congestion), I returned to the specialist's office a month later. After an endonasal examination, he again spoke about the operation.

In retrospect, I can say that he sold me this surgery, presented it as simple, banal, without risk or side effects, and also emphasized that he performs several such surgeries every week. The specialist also did not explain how he would carry out the operation, only that it would be done endonasally... I trusted him and accepted the procedure.

In November 2008

I underwent a: bilateral ethmoidectomy with dislocation of the medial turbinates, a bilateral conchotomy of the inferior turbinates where the head and the anterior third of the turbinates were removed, this bilaterally. In addition, a septoplasty .

I would like to point out that the operation of the middle turbinates which was also performed at the time of the procedure was never mentioned in my operative report. During the anesthesia, before the operation, I woke up and stayed in the recovery room for five hours longer than normal...

One question is bothering me, how is it possible to perform five endonasal operations at once for a nasal problem and a chronic sinusitis?

I stayed in the hospital for forty-eight hours and saw the surgeon again two weeks later to have the bandages removed.

At the exam, the specialist said "everything looked normal and well opened", warned me that I would have scabies that would go away with time and that everything would gradually settle down. The surgeon did not set up another appointment.

The abundant crusts decreased with the nasal irrigations. After a week and a half I noticed that I wasn't breathing properly: I always had one nostril blocked, but never both at the same time, the headache was still there and I had tinnitus.

I returned to the specialist, who was irritated by my visit. He did another endonasal examination and said that "it was well opened, that he could do no more, that the air would circulate and the body would adapt..."

I waited, tried to convince myself that everything would be fine, but after two months, with no improvement, I had panic attacks and felt and understood that it was abnormal and that my body was not reacting as it should.

With the operation I had to stop my studies, it was impossible to continue with these constant pains and symptoms, and anxiety and concentration problems also appeared...

Gradually I withdrew and encountered incomprehension from my loved ones. I lost my friends and was no longer seen by anyone except my mother, who understood and helped me. I was completely isolated…

Two months later, I consulted a second specialist who prescribed another CT scan. I told them I had bad breath and listed all my symptoms.

The CT scan showed that my Eustachian tube was infected and that my sinuses were less dense than before surgery.

The specialist suggested another surgery and said it was a mechanical problem... I declined this surgery.

Two weeks later I made an appointment with a third specialist, an honest and retired doctor.

Of course, he did not criticize his colleague for ethical reasons, but after seeing the CT scan, he was surprised and said: " It was a big operation you underwent. Unfortunately, there is nothing more to do, if you try something, it will only make your situation worse... You have to accept living like this."

He prescribed a thermal cure. At the verdict I burst into tears: I was totally devastated. Depression set in and I lost my self-confidence. I spent three years locked in my room, doing nothing, refusing to go out, seeing no one, with my constant and numerous symptoms and pains. I also had dizziness, disturbed sleep and only slept three or four hours a night, which exhausted me.

My nose was dry with occasional scabs and infected post-nasal secretions, as well as a sensitivity to temperature variations, which was disabling when you live like I do in the mountains.

I found it difficult to tolerate the cold and dry air and hiking at high altitudes with atmospheric pressure variations became impossible as it caused dizziness and intense pressure in the head...

At the time, I didn't know I was suffering from Empty Nose Syndrome. I discovered it later when I searched for my symptoms online. I accidentally stumbled upon the American Empty Nose Syndrome forum and finally understood what I was suffering from. Shortly afterwards, I went to my GP and said I had symptoms of Empty Nose Syndrome, but he didn't know this disease either.

Gradually I decided to take hold of my life, I was tired of living like this, it became a long psychological struggle…

The problem with this disease is that it is impossible to predict how one will feel the next day, which creates a feeling of powerlessness, anger and frustration, and it is difficult to accept... Unlike healthy people, we always have to fight and do extra efforts...

I learned to adapt and cope with the disease, drawing resources from myself to cope. When a crisis came, instead of being depressed and suffering, I took my suffering with patience and rested. I completely avoided the destructive stress that exacerbates the symptoms of Empty Nose Syndrome…

Of course there were days with and without, I suffered and was depressed, but by becoming aware of this reality I did things based on the vagaries of the disease and step by step I regained some self-confidence and regained the joy of life. I even started a love affair.

There were small, progressive victories, things that seem trivial to healthy people: shopping, going for walks, meeting people, and I even managed to work for a month as a delivery driver with 8-hour shifts, starting very early. It was a very physical job that required tremendous mental and physical effort.

I had to drive (which has become complicated with Empty Nose Syndrome, especially when you have to do longer trips because there is a risk of falling asleep and feeling sick in an enclosed space). It was very difficult but I managed it and it was an achievement for me and a revenge on the disease, which showed that with a strong will I could also do and succeed, even with this terrible disease. I regained my confidence and thought that maybe I could work full-time like everyone else, and I continued with a 6-month course that will be finished soon. I've had to fight extra hard, because it's physically demanding and the days are packed... I've had to take breaks and some days I was absent...

Today I see that it is impossible for me to work normally with Empty Nose Syndrome and to persevere for a longer period, even with the best will in the world. Some time ago I would have refused to admit that at the age of 31 I was disabled, but today I have come to terms with this disabling condition. I have therefore started a process to have my disability recognized at the Maison Départementale des Handicapés, because it is impossible for me to work like everyone else. I hope this will prevent me from living in poverty.

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Testimonial from Eric (France) October 4, 2016

I had surgery for a deviation in the nasal septum. I underwent a septoplasty with a radical reduction of the concha/turbinates.

At the time I was not familiar with these terms.

The two months following the operation were very difficult. The following symptoms occurred: headache, fatigue and crusting (normal) . During this period, I visited my ear, nose and throat (ENT) doctor twice and received various treatments that he said would quickly end my symptoms, but it didn't...

I've always been sporty and have been cycling for years, and I used to participate in one or two cycling races a year (like "Marmotte", "Ardéchoise", for those who know them).

After the operation, I wanted to start training again, but I immediately realized that my body no longer followed: 4 out of 5 training sessions turned into agony. At first I made no connection to the operation. As I am sensitive to high temperatures, I thought these symptoms were due to the extremely hot summer of 2015 or that I had been inactive for two months.

Year 2015: The symptoms I described earlier worsened and new ones appeared: breathing difficulties and inability to resume cycling. For me there was no doubt: the connection with the operation was obvious. I went back to my ENT specialist to discuss this, but according to him, my symptoms had nothing to do with the surgery, which he said with the confidence that some doctors can have...

I then started searching the internet using terms like "septoplasty, conchotomy, headache, etc." I know you have to be careful with the internet because "a small cut on your finger can quickly turn into cancer!"

I came across the description of Empty Nose Syndrome. As I read, I immediately understood what I was suffering from…

It was both a relief because I finally had an explanation for my suffering, but at the same time I was completely in despair. My GP, who I have been seeing regularly since the surgery, confirmed this diagnosis and at the same time informed me that this condition cannot be cured...

I then went back to my ENT specialist for an explanation, and that's when I realized that he knew very well what I had from the beginning, but that he had lied to me with incredible confidence and denied the obvious, and from the beginning claimed that I had a "huge polyp" that he said would need to be removed.

In this context, I would like to point out that neither the preoperative X-ray examination nor the postoperative report mentioned any polyp...

I therefore suspected that the polyp was an excuse to justify this radical conchotomy, this amputation of my entire lower turbinates!

Little confession: when I broached the delicate subject of Empty Nose Syndrome with my ENT specialist, he replied that in his entire career he had only encountered a single case of ENS, and that patient was, in his words, "schizophrenic." .. Dear readers, victims of ENS, you can add schizophrenia to your list of symptoms...

Today I underwent a whole series of tests, as you all have probably done or will do, that ENT doctors are happy to prescribe: sleep test, MRI, scan, neurological exam, cardiologist, pulmonologist and even a pain clinic, which in itself deserves its own story, but it's not worth it! If there is a problem with blood pressure, lungs, etc. detected, the symptom is treated, but no connection with ENS will be claimed or acknowledged.

Added to this is another suffering that ENS victims face: denial and incomprehension from others. Because it is an invisible disease, people not only do not realize our suffering, but also have a tendency to think that we are making it up .

I mentioned my passion for cycling to highlight how this disease literally drains us of energy and renders us incapable of physical exertion, both on a personal and professional level.

Before this operation, in 25 years of my career, I had hardly been on sick leave, which I was lucky with, fortunately! Since 2016, I have been on sick leave and that is unfortunately just the beginning of a long series...

Before this operation, I planned to participate in the "Tour du Mont Blanc", a bicycle race. Right now I'm having a hard time just cycling around my little village...

I have a mortgage, two small children, a professional situation that is in question because of this endonasal procedure. I don't know what the future holds.

When I read the testimonies of other ENS victims and see how much they agree, I do not understand this denial by ENT doctors in the face of such an obvious reality. Eric J. - October 2016

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Carole's Testimony (Canada) October 3, 2016

Many years ago, when I was in my thirties, I often had a stuffy nose that was treated with nasal drops.

My family doctor sent me to an ear nose and throat doctor because I had a small septal deviation. He discovered that my turbinates were a bit too large and decided to reduce them as well as straighten my nasal septum. I asked him if this operation could worsen my condition. He replied that my problem would improve by 70%.

Year 1988

I underwent a septoturbinoplasty and a bilateral cauterization (burning the turbinates) of the lower turbinates. After the tamponades were removed, I suffered for five years with deep pain in several places, I was no longer alive, I just existed.

I consulted a second otolaryngologist who told me that they no longer operate on people with vasomotor rhinitis and that a turbinotomy was comparable to a kidney operation.

Year 1989

I saw a third ENT doctor who diagnosed me with atrophic rhinitis. At that time there was no internet and no information about this operation. I was really lonely, today it's different, people can look for information on social media.

After that I had a period of relief for thirteen years, although I could not go out in winter without a balaclava because my teeth and nose hurt, but I no longer suffered from headaches.

I thought to myself that I never wanted to experience this cruelty again and that I would rather die. I would describe this operation as: "it's like being sentenced to a slow death."

Year 2006

The nightmare returned with terrible leg pain (burning, stabbing pain in the middle nostrils, drawing, pain in the cheeks and gums radiating to the eyes along with recurring headaches and sometimes numbness).

My nose stopped working and where is so dry. It has undergone a radical change: the nostrils play a decisive role. They filter, moisten and warm the air and are also the guardians of the lungs.

They are precious organs. They deserve respect because they provide us with well-being, self-defense against dust, cold, heat, etc.

I had visited several otolaryngologists as my condition worsened. Some treated me very badly, saying that "it was in my head."

One of them inserted a cotton ball into my nose and advised me to seek help for psychosomatic problems. Another could not answer me, completely powerless before my pains, because he was ignorant.

What professionalism! I felt like nothing.

I knew from the beginning that my symptoms were from the operation . I had lost a lot of weight, undergone several examinations and seen many specialists (ENT, psychologists, psychiatrists, specialists in psychosomatic disorders, neurologists, acupuncturists, osteopaths, sinus examinations, MRI examinations, consultations at pain clinics in Montreal and Laval ).

Year 2008

I bled for two months. What had happened?

Year 2010

An otolaryngologist diagnosed chronic neuralgia and another, atrophic rhinitis.

Year 2012

I suffered a central venous occlusion in the retina of the right eye (OVCR), with a loss of vision of 90%. The attending physician informed me that it had happened for no reason because I did not have high cholesterol or high blood pressure.

I worry about my left eye as I very often have sharp and crushing pains that come on suddenly. "It's really the worst pain I've ever experienced and it's very scary."

Year 2014

The last neurologist told me that my pain was not neurological in nature, that it was not his area of responsibility because I did not suffer from trigeminal neuralgia and that my problem was related to facial neuralgia. (The report indicates that I have chronic central pain as a result of endonasal surgery).

I've been waiting a very long time for another consultation at the pain clinic, but I'm not expecting a miracle solution...

Year 2015

I saw a final ENT doctor who prescribed a scan, which indicated the presence of a cyst in the left sinus and a small polyposis in the lower right turbinate caused by chronic rhinitis.

I have lost 15 years of my life due to a so-called "minimal" endonasal surgery that poisoned a large part of my life . Previously I had only a simple vasomotor rhinitis, and after this operation I suffer from secondary atrophic rhinitis (degenerated mucous membrane) which causes chronic rhinitis.

I hope that Empty Nose Syndrome, this iatrogenic disease, is recognized and that a treatment is finally found to relieve the victims who live in this daily hell. I hope that the ENT community becomes aware that failure is possible after such surgery and that they admit their mistakes to avoid more victims having their destinies ruined. (Health gives us joy in life and is our greatest wealth).

For those who have to undergo a conchotomy, even a partial one, I advise you to think carefully and get a second opinion, because if you suffer these horrible sufferings, you will regret it deeply and be left to fend for yourself... Carole, Canada.

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Testimony of Daniel (Belgium) 30 September 2016

Due to chronic sinus infections, over thirty years ago I underwent external maxillary sinus surgery using the CADWELL LUC technique (an operation that seems to no longer be performed).

Over the years, my sinus infections returned regularly. I was on antibiotics, anti-inflammatories, and so on. The last severe sinus infection I had was in Canada, and I decided to be a little more decisive this time.

On January 13, 2015, I consulted my ear, nose and throat (ENT) doctor who had previously suggested radiofrequency treatment of the sinuses (something I had always declined, but given the recent sinusitis episode I finally agreed).

The doctor assured me that I would breathe better afterwards and that I would have fewer sinus infections. I asked if there were any risks and if any complications were possible after the procedure.

The only answer I got was this: "You might bleed a little and have a period of scabbing, I'll prescribe you an antibiotic ointment, and then everything will be fine."

After the procedure, I barely bled and got no scabs at all. I was problem free for a year.

In January 2016, my episodes of scabbing and small bleeding began. Every time I visited the ENT doctor, he prescribed an ointment for me.

Since then I have periods where I don't have any problems, but other times I don't feel well. I have stopped using the antibiotic and moisturizing ointments. Essential oil is much more effective. The scabs and bleeding have disappeared.

I sleep poorly and wake up every three hours, and my throat starts to hurt. From time to time I feel tiredness, pains and aches between the eyes. I have also lost my sense of smell, which used to be very strong, and even taste is affected!

If my condition becomes unbearable, it will be impossible for me to live like this. I'm not there yet, but slowly but surely I'm getting worse. I don't know what to think!

I don't know if I have Empty Nose Syndrome, but I am increasingly worried about my situation: my fear is that my condition will worsen.

Of course I have visited another ENT doctor who examined me and said that everything was perfect and well done and that I had absolutely nothing to worry about.

I've also gone through my scan, both pre and post procedure, and my turbinates are there, sure, but are they working?

I underwent a bilateral partial resection of the inferior turbinates. I have never understood what the barnacles are for, and I believe I was misinformed!

Furthermore, the ENT doctor presented this as a routine procedure, performed very often. That's right, I researched this with the medical advisors from the health insurance companies, and the numbers are staggering! On the one hand, it felt reassuring considering the large number of procedures performed.

Right now I'm not feeling well, but I know there are those who have it worse than me, and I understand why some people get upset or even want to give up. Daniel W.

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Testimony of Jonathan (France) 14 September 2016

My name is Jonathan. In October 2013, I visited an ear, nose and throat (ENT) doctor due to recurring pain on the left side of my face (orbital and cheekbone).

The doctor performed an endoscopy which was normal on the right side, but impossible to do on the left side because my nasal septum was completely crooked.

I want to point out that everyone has a deviation in the nasal septum, but it does not normally cause problems. What I do know, however, is that these operations, which are performed frequently, often only finance the doctors' vacations.

I had a scan which showed a cyst (a polyp-like growth caused by a thickening of the lining) in my left sinus which was the cause of my pain, my very deviated nasal septum and a very marked enlargement of the turbinate on the opposite side. (Which makes sense, since the concha has increased in size to fill the significantly larger space on the right side).

In November 2013 I underwent a left sided meatotomy for polypectomy (removal of a large polyp on the left side), septoplasty and lower right sided turbinectomy (removal of the right turbinate).

The surgeon explained beforehand that it was like a "cleaning" and showed me "the big blob" on the scan that represented my right nostril and said, "I'm going to do some cleaning here!".

After the procedure, when I woke up in my room, the surgeon confirmed that it was indeed a cyst (it could have been something else...) and he clarified that he had "removed the part of the bone that was interfering and that I would now breathe better".

I didn't care too much about it, I trusted him. I thought mostly about the pains I was in, rather than my breathing…

That doctor has since retired. I even called him one night when I couldn't sleep, after realizing what I was suffering from, while waiting for my new x-ray. I wanted to know more, as soon as possible. I then asked him if he had done a total removal? (At the time I thought it was only a total removal that caused Empty Nose Syndrome).

His reply was: "No, it is forbidden! I have never removed the entire concha in my career and I have always been careful to remove as little as possible." (It proves that this operation is dangerous and that ENT doctors know about it! Anyway, he knew, because he directly talked about atrophic rhinitis...).

After the operation, the following symptoms gradually began to appear:

Frequent ENT infections, more or less constant yellow persistent secretions from the right side, almost always completely blocked right nostril, unlike before the operation, forcing me to use decongestants to get air to pass through. (The nostril eventually began to open slowly over two years).

On my latest scan the front two thirds of my right concha is missing, (that is the head of the concha: the most important part as it contains the sensory receptors, is in direct contact with the inhaled air, regulates the volume of the concha which swells and shrinks according to need and results in a nasal cycle and above all provides 50% of the resistance that allows one to breathe effortlessly and unconsciously.

As my nose became less and less blocked, I thought my condition was improving. Big mistake: that was the beginning of my suffering, because until then it was still bearable…

I used the Neti pot for nasal irrigation and it went more or less well, although I knew that something was still not right, but that it would pass with time... But unfortunately it didn't.

After this surgery my breathing has become chaotic!

Every day I struggle through my days not being able to talk about it with anyone because only those affected can understand…

Either I hyperventilate when my nose is too open, or my nose is too closed and then I breathe badly. (Which is less anxiety-inducing anyway).

The yellow and green slimy discharge on the right side has turned to gray, strangely purulent scabs... (I notice that the dryness in the right nostril gets worse in the winter and I have much less scabs and foul odors in the summer).

When the right nostril is too open, I feel the hole in my nose. (I have understood that it corresponds to the removed part...) It took two years to get this feeling! It's anxiety-inducing, as is "this feeling of nasal emptiness and too much air passing...".

I had to tell my story. If there are people, near Metz or elsewhere, who are in the same situation, do not hesitate to contact me on 06 11 xxxxxx.

I am good at English (especially in writing) and would also like to point out that I studied medicine up to the second year in PCEM2. (Which still didn't stop me from being "tricked", and then followed a different path.

Ironically, 10 years ago I did an internship in the ENT department where I was operated on and I even assisted in one of the operations... That's actually why I trusted him, just to say that I am well acquainted with medical terminology, but so are many of you because of the circumstances…Courage to you all. Jonathan

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Testimony of Jesús Harley Jaimes Rodriguez September 8, 2016

I have suffered from Empty Nose Syndrome for 5 years. My health problems started after a surgical operation on July 4, 2011.

No one believes or thinks that I am sick, not even my family or my friends...

On 04/07/2011, as I have just written, I underwent surgery at St Paul Hospital in Barcelona, Spain. I underwent a septoplasty with partial removal of the lower turbinates. (Reasons: deviation of the nasal septum, enlarged inferior turbinates and "ear plugs").

At the hospital, the ENT doctors assured me that there would be no problems or side effects after this endonasal surgery. I trusted them, not understanding what was really happening, and I signed the informed consent. After the operation, I was on sick leave for 20 days due to aftercare.

Thank goodness they didn't remove my entire lower turbinates! Luckily I have 50% of my turbinates left…

My symptoms started as soon as the "nasal stuffing" was removed after the operation, that is, 20 days after the aftercare: Dryness of the nose, inflammation of the remaining mucous membrane, intense burning in the nose and severe pain when inhaling caused by cold or warm air that is not filtered or humidified, rushing violently into my nose.

For 5 years I have had difficulty eating. Since this surgery, it has become impossible for me to sleep through the night and breathe normally. (My sleep is disturbed and not restorative). "It's like I haven't slept all night..."

I wake up continuously every two to three hours at night because of the dryness and thirst, and because I am no longer breathing normally. I now have sleep apnea and my quality of life has deteriorated.

I am 32 years old, my name is Jesús Harley Jaimes Rodriguez, born on July 15, 1984 in San Antonio de Táchira, Venezuela. I have lived in Spain for 11 years and after this operation my situation and my life have become painful and difficult.

All this suffering because of Empty Nose Syndrome, an iatrogenic disease caused by an unacceptable medical error... The worst thing is that no one believes us, we who are victims of ENS. We are not recognized and no one can help us or cure us…

Jesús Harley Jaimes Rodriguez

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Turbinoplasty: Nasal fracture (author unknown) link to blog

Ear, nose and throat (ENT) doctors often perform a conchotomy, a procedure that hides a terrible reality that the patient only discovers after the operation, when it is already too late. It is hard to imagine that your life can be destroyed in such a painful way.

The ENT doctor presents this operation as the only solution to your problem: easy to perform, without any side effects. (After all, it is only a simple reduction of the turbinates, their function will remain unchanged). But this is a lie, a serious lie!

The turbinates have a crucial function, as they filter the air that goes down to the lungs and humidify it, as well as regulate temperatures such as cold and hot in your nose.

Doctors usually claim that by cutting away a small part of the turbinates, the airflow to the lungs will increase and your breathing will improve significantly.

In most cases, a conchotomy is performed in combination with a septoplasty. What they don't tell you is that the bone and tissue being cut away is richly innervated and vascularized. (The bivalves have sensitive, unique and very important nerve endings).

When the turbinates are amputated, this is irreversible. The scars and consequences will remain forever, and it is easy to understand that after this you will live in hell!

Sure, more air comes in when you inhale because your nostrils are more open. Clinically, everything is normal, and the examinations seem to be consistent with the expected result. But the following symptoms appear immediately or a few months after the operation and will never go away.

Intense cold in the nose:

Because the nasal cavities are too open and the turbinates are amputated, unfiltered air enters the nose, which can no longer be heated during the winter.

Loss of smell and taste:

The simple fact of eating becomes greatly difficult. I have lost my sense of smell and taste, I constantly have a foul smell and a bad taste in my mouth (the worst that can exist!).

Poor sleep:

I sleep badly because, no matter how much I'm tucked in, and even if the doors and windows are closed, nothing can stop the cold from penetrating.

Runny nose:

I have never had a runny nose before in my life, but after the surgery this problem occurred all the time (when I woke up, when I ate, in air-conditioned environments, in cold climates...).

Violent, persistent headaches:

The intense feeling of cold penetrating violently into my nose spreads all over my face and head. "It's like I always had sinusitis". I then started to give up going out in the evenings because there is always air conditioning in all public places…

Extreme dryness:

Gradually the nasal flow decreased, but something much worse happened: the production of mucus decreased dramatically due to my extremely dried out nose inside. This led to real and constant suffering that was impossible to relieve, even by moistening the nose with saline.

Burning sensation in the nose:

Another constant and disabling problem. Since your nasal mucosa is extremely dry and moistening is impossible, with every inhalation and exhalation it feels like "your nose is on fire!".

Extreme thirst:

The dryness of the fluids that lubricate your nose also affects your mouth, triggering an uncontrollable thirst that neither water nor time can alleviate... "It's like having broken glass in your mouth!". (The lips are white and parched).

Dry eyes:

Like the throat, the eyes are also dry because the tears are insufficient, so eye drops are required to relieve and moisturize the eyes.

Pressure in the ears:

As air enters the nasal cavity violently and the amputated turbinates can no longer balance this, a strong constant pressure occurs in the head, especially in the ears. Sounds, especially low frequencies, start to bother you. For those who love music this is very frustrating…

Intense burning sensation in the ears, face, head and neck:

These are symptoms that brought me to tears of despair.... I swear if I had a firearm, I would have wanted to end my life after visiting the doctor who condemned me to this hell!

Insomnia:

I loved to sleep and slept very well before. Today I sleep 1 to 2 hours per night. I sleep a little better when the weather is cold. I am constantly forced to get up to drink because the thirst is so strong that it wakes me up, and the excess water makes me want to urinate, causing me to constantly go to the bathroom.

As a result, I am constantly exhausted and forced to take naps during the day.

Sleep apnea:

Even though the nostrils are wide open, you do not feel that the air is going down into the lungs, it feels as if you are suffocating. The brain in turn triggers a warning that wakes you up: it perceives that you are not breathing.

Concentration difficulties:

The constant pressure in your head reduces your ability to reason and concentrate significantly. "It's like your head is going to explode!".

Irritation and chronic low mood:

It is natural for a patient with Empty Nose Syndrome to become irritated and lose patience when they constantly experience such suffering.

Depression and anxiety:

It is impossible not to be extremely sad when the simplest things become incredibly complicated: reading, writing, living, walking, exercising, sleeping, relaxing, listening to music, talking, studying, working...

In conclusion, life becomes a burden and you wonder if it is logical to continue like this day after day... Under these conditions, it is completely understandable to consider ending one's life.

After listening to the doctors who operated on me, and hearing them say that the "tension and allergy" were the cause of my problems, while denying that this medical condition exists. This despite the fact that the symptoms of this surgery of the turbinates are described online, In this way they "insult my intelligence!" (These ENT doctors feel connected to this nasal turbinate surgery).

At the time, I couldn't find anything on this topic in Portuguese, so I looked in American literature. When I discovered the meaning of Empty Nose Syndrome and its symptoms, caused exclusively by this nasal concha surgery, I was very scared. (Unfortunately, this is a pathology rarely diagnosed outside the US and Germany).

There are websites, forums frequented by medical experts and ENS patients ( http://emptynosesyndrome.org/index.php ), books written by sufferers, and advice on how to alleviate certain symptoms.

There is not much that can be done, no cure at this time. There are implants and other costly treatments that produce little or no results, and suicide rates are high among ENS victims.

Many do not know they have Empty Nose Syndrome because they trust their doctors, who are interested in the profit from this radical nasal amputation.

By making excuses to avoid guilt, the ENS patient is doomed to live in hell . Just like in the police, doctors are protected by their corps. (We know it's hard to convict a doctor and take away their medical license).

In addition to these cases of negligence associated with Empty Nose Syndrome and by the lack of treatment, there is also fraud that goes beyond the medical sphere and becomes a crime.

This type of surgery is performed all over the world and has become a way for some doctors to make money from the suffering of patients. When a doctor removes the turbinates, they often leave the patient in a state where they can no longer live a normal life.

For an ENS patient, every day becomes a struggle. The constant pain, anxiety and hopelessness can lead to serious mental health problems, including suicidal thoughts. It is vital to raise awareness of the dangers of conchotomy and fight to ensure that others do not suffer the same fate.

To improve the situation of those affected, more research is needed, better diagnostic methods and, above all, a system where doctors are held accountable for the irreversible damage they cause. The loneliness and distrust that ENS patients often feel must be acknowledged, and care must work to alleviate their suffering rather than deny it.

Conclusion

Conchotomy (reducing the turbinates) may seem like a simple solution to nasal problems, but for many patients it has been the beginning of lifelong suffering. By spreading knowledge about the risks and working to protect patients, we can prevent more people from falling victim to this "nasal crime." It is important that any individual considering this surgery is fully informed of the potential consequences, and that society as a whole supports those who have already been affected.

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Testimony of Benoît August 24, 2016

I am telling my story or rather my nightmare. Almost 7 years ago, due to a breathing problem, I trusted a surgeon or rather "a butcher" who strongly recommended that I undergo a total conchotomy of the lower turbinates to fix my breathing problem because I had a stuffy nose.

Since I am not a surgeon and had not consulted anyone else, I trusted this ENT specialist completely. A few days later I was in surgery and ready to remove the tampons to finally feel the effects of the procedure…

At first, the post-operative course was: tampons removed, nose still blocked due to blood clots and scabs... But with the daily rinses, the blood clots disappeared and my nose began to open!

But unfortunately I understood very quickly and above all I felt that something was wrong! The following symptoms appeared: breathing with excessive air flow, shortness of breath, hyperventilation, cold, dry and painful air gushing into the nose: "It was like I was breathing in broken glass with air conditioning!"

Worried, I nevertheless tried to calm myself with the thought that in time I would not feel all this anymore... But unfortunately, the more days passed, the more my extreme fatigue, my pains, my anxiety and my feeling of powerlessness against what i went through...

Every morning I felt an inexplicable fatigue due to hyperventilation (too much air inhaled at once!) , pains and of course this anxiety and powerlessness! I realized that I would no longer live my days without suffering through them 24 hours a day!

I then went to another ENT specialist and tried to explain the agony I was going through: he as well as "my whole family" heard but remained confused and could not understand what I was experiencing! He still explained that because I had a deviated septum, the inhaled air "struck" my mucous membranes and that was why my pain was so intense. Thinking that maybe that was the solution, I trusted him and underwent another operation.

I then had surgery, after removing the tampons, at my first inhalation, I no longer had that feeling of the air "hitting" against the walls... But, when everything had healed: I still felt this extreme fatigue (+++) , this dry and cold air that resembled "broken glass with air conditioning" and this heightened feeling of having an "EMPTY NOSE" that only those who have undergone conchotomy understand... Again, I thought that with time the symptoms would go away!

I tried to return to a normal life by trying to stop thinking about all this but when you have to put up with this extreme fatigue, these unbearable pains and the daily anxiety, the psyche really takes a beating! And there, ONE FALLS INTO HELL... Exhausted, I tried to get doctors and family to understand me . This changed nothing! Obliterated and alone in the world in the face of what I lived through and endured with every breath.

Results: Suicide attempt, psychiatry, antidepressants, anti-anxiety: I was destroyed physically, mentally and socially . Fortunately, I was lucky enough to meet a person and his mother who tried to understand me, listen to me and find a solution... For the pain, a doctor recommended a morphine derivative: I had less pain but still the same previously described symptoms...

By researching online, I finally saw a glimmer of hope that made me hold on to life a little longer: the "Acrylic Rods" (nasal implants) that could relieve my symptoms. and then the Association https://www.syndromedunezvide.com/ .

Frankringe's Association for Empty Nose Syndrome. I thought "I'M NOT CRAZY!!!" I'm not alone in living this hell! Immediately I contacted and discussed with the president of the association (her husband had also undergone this devastating operation..). I was finally able to explain what I was feeling both physically and mentally while being understood!!! An inexplicable relief...

This person told me, "Yes, there is a way, not a complete cure, because the turbinates cannot be transplanted or replaced. However, you can 'correct' and alleviate all of this". The solution: "A conche transplant" (a transpalntation of cartilage behind the ears to give volume to the few conchas I had left so that the air would warm up a bit and restore some pressure when breathing (in my case 70% of the conchas had been removed ).A reason to keep living!

I met a great professor in Nice who understood my distress and decided to operate on me. I had a first conche transplant that was insufficient (too much air volume when inhaling), and then a second transplant, which this time greatly improved my quality of life!

Afterwards, I contacted a mobile pain relief team where the senior physician had already seen similar cases after conchotomy of the inferior turbinates.

He prescribed high dose Lamaline and Lyrica.

And then, little by little, day by day, I begin to regain the joy of life, I rebuild myself physically and mentally. I thank from the bottom of my heart this professor, Mr LC...... (ear nose throat specialist, face and neck surgery in NICE) and the mobile pain management team.

6 years of extreme suffering, but today I can finally return to a tolerable life although it is still a struggle every day…

If I can help anyone, give advice, do not hesitate to contact me.

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In memory of Mélisa Champion, deceased from Empty Nose SyndromeAugust 19, 2016, Written by SNV

Testimony from Marcelle and Jean-Yves Champion, Mélisa's parents.

In memory of Mélisa, our daughter, who died on May 23, 2015 at the age of 33. Mélisa was a very social and friendly person. She had studied tourism to become a flight attendant. She loved to travel and discover other cultures. While traveling, she complained of ear pain, which led her to consult her family doctor and then an otolaryngologist in Québec who suggested a septoplasty because her nasal septum was deviated. This specialist had never mentioned to Mélisa that she would undergo an operation on her turbinates. He had only said that he wanted to make room in his nose so that the air could enter more easily. If Mélisa had been informed of this, she would have categorically refused to undergo such an injury. When our daughter received her surgery report, it said "complete septorhinoplasty and reduction of the inferior turbinates, bilateral" (surgery performed in 2007).

A few months after this operation, she did not feel well and developed several symptoms, the first of which was nasal dryness. To remove secretions, she constantly did treatments that became increasingly longer and more painful, leading to exhaustion and extreme fatigue.

Allergies and asthma attacks followed. Without the lower nostrils, the airflow was too fast, the air was no longer filtered, heated or humidified. She also had facial pain, pain in her eyes, ears, throat and recurring headaches.

She had pain in her lungs and felt them as "frozen" . Mélisa drank warm water with breadcrumbs to ease her lung pain and had no sodium in her blood. From 2008 she received vaccines for her allergies to desensitize her.

As expected, the result was: loss of work, worsening quality of life and return to our home. Over time, her condition and living conditions had deteriorated so much that she visited her ear-nose-throat specialist again in September 2013. He noted several of the symptoms she had developed. In October 2013, Mélisa was on sick leave for Empty Nose Syndrome and was urgently hospitalized in May 2014 for anaphylaxis (severe allergic reaction that can be fatal).

In May 2015, our daughter saw another ENT specialist and his diagnosis was unrelenting, stating that Mélisa had developed "a total paralysis of sinus function, that the tissues and sinuses were dead and there was nothing more to do" . He advised her not to undergo further operations as her mucosa was severely atrophied. She preferred to know the truth rather than be left with false hopes. She found this specialist to be human and responsive: he had taken the time to explain things to her.

Her nose was so dehydrated that it could no longer perform a normal breathing function, so she had to live with an AIRVO (an integrated flow humidifier she received in 2014) . Without this machine, our daughter would automatically suffocate because too much air was coming in and it was too cold, causing her lungs and bronchi to become inflamed and triggering an asthma attack that could last for hours. She could not do without this machine; otherwise the lung pain was unbearable as if her lungs were in an "ice pack", horrible…!

She had also been re-diagnosed with Empty Nose Syndrome by this specialist.

Her friend Carole, who suffered from atrophic rhinitis after a turbinectomy and bilateral cauterization of the inferior turbinates, and who communicated with and supported her, asked Mélisa what she loved most in life? Here is what Mélisa responded in writing:

"Let's say that since I became disabled and confined at home, attached to a machine, I try to appreciate the little happy moments with my loved ones and I try to find inner peace to be able to pass away peacefully in the near future... I have no quality of life anymore, so I don't know what I love anymore because I can't do anything! The disease has weakened me to an extreme level! I try to keep myself busy by reading, listening to music, reading newspapers and taking moments of relaxation without thinking about anything. It feels good."

Shortly before her death, Mélisa wrote: "I made a prayer. I asked the Lord to give me a place with him. I know that you are waiting for me and that my place is already ready in your kingdom. To live in peace and without suffering with you, Lord. I leave my soul to dance to a new life in love forever because health is the greatest wealth in the world. Amen."

We hope that this disease, Empty Nose Syndrome, is recognized by the medical world because we cannot understand that such an operation can cause so much suffering and lead to the irreversible loss of our child.

We also want to emphasize that our daughter passed away as a result of a prolonged illness on May 23, 2015 at our home and was in no way a suicide like other victims of Empty Nose Syndrome

Her parents who will forever carry Mélisa in their hearts, Marcelle and Jean-Yves Champion, Canada.

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Harold B testimonial August 14, 2016, written by SNV

1993 : This story began stealthily when I was cutting metal with a high pressure oxygen gas torch. A drop of molten metal bounced off the cement floor and went straight into my left nostril. I thought "it's a trifle, it will heal."

2000 : Sneezing, mucus like a prolonged cold until I discovered cortisone for the nose which stopped the symptoms, but the problem continued to develop. ( Sleep disorders, a single sleeping position... )

2015 : In May I consult an ear-nose-throat (ear-nose-throat) specialist who decides to operate on me. I trusted him and thought he knew what he was doing. He straightened my nose, partially removed the turbinates, and I therefore underwent a septoplasty with partial turbinectomy / conchotomy . In September, one day, when I'm shaving, it suddenly causes a tear in my nose (septal perforation). Immediately afterwards I have "a whistling sound in my nose."

2016: I can't sleep: I'm suffocating because of the dry heat and the operation, "this feeling of suffocation, of not getting air (worse than asthma) is really terrible!" I see my ENT specialist again, who doesn't care. He does a scan that shows a problem. (I'm sure this is the problem causing my sleep problems.) I suspect there has been neglect. Removing the nostrils was just routine for him? I would like to consult another ENT specialist, just to at least have my septal perforation repaired and to plug the hole in my nasal septum, but the trust is not there. (I fear further neglect may cause an even bigger problem.)

I am under the impression that I will have to become an ENT specialist myself to explain to these practitioners the risks, implications and procedures of these endonasal procedures. When I read the testimonials of my friends who also have Empty Nose Syndrome, I am no longer impressed by the medical degrees that I see on the walls of these specialist offices. Harold B

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Story from Sandrine J. (France) August 8, 2016

Empty Nose Syndrome is an iatrogenic, unknown, insidious and disabling disease caused by inappropriate, and in my case unnecessary, endonasal surgery, which has led to several devastating symptoms.

The removal of all my lower turbinates and part of my middle turbinates, organs that are necessary for proper breathing and have a moisturizing and protective role against pollution, dust, microbes and other viruses, have undoubtedly caused me irreversible damage. The unexpected consequences have destroyed my health, crushed my promising professional career and reduced my quality of life .

I want to emphasize that these surgical interventions, called turbinotomy or conchotomy, were unfounded in my case.

In November 1991 I was treated with antibiotics for strep throat, and a week later, without improvement, with a stronger antibiotic. When even this proved ineffective, an X-ray of the lungs revealed pneumonia. I received a sick leave certificate and a much heavier treatment. Still, a cough persisted for months.

In November 1992, at the request of my general practitioner, I saw an ear-nose-throat specialist who suggested a surgical procedure on my nose to stop the coughing. I stayed five days at the clinic. Tampons, which I kept for about two weeks, were inserted into each nostril. After the tampons were removed, blood clots started running down my throat for months. I couldn't cheat. I was breathing very badly and had frontal and facial pain. The healing process did not progress.

In November 1993, a year later, the ear, nose and throat specialist performed a second surgical procedure which he said would stop the constant bleeding. When I woke up after the anesthesia, I had tampons in my nostrils again. A few weeks later, under local anaesthetic, I underwent cauterization in my right nostril.

No operation report was given to me after these three operations. That's when my long medical journey began. After burns to my nose, mouth, esophagus and stomach, I underwent a first gastroscopy which showed no abnormalities.

In January 1994, after losing my job due to repeated absences, I moved back to my home region. A GP ordered a CT scan to find out the cause of my severe headaches and facial pain radiating to my gums and jaws. The result showed that everything in my nose was destroyed. Worried about taking care of my young children and finding a new job, I didn't ask any questions, which was a mistake.

I didn't give up and didn't talk to anyone about what happened to me. Time passed and my pains worsened. I couldn't breathe normally and didn't have the ability to clean myself up. I had recurring purulent sinus infections (I didn't know what a sinus infection was before I had surgery).

My sleep became shallow, the headaches and facial pains gave me hardly any rest. I kept swallowing bloody scabs and thick, sticky mucus that I couldn't expectorate. When I tried to get them out by coughing, stomach acids came up. I was constantly tired, had a hard time enduring car journeys, lifts and closed rooms. I searched for oxygen.

A strong anxiety arose and disturbed me for a long time. My blood pressure was constantly dropping, reaching dangerously low levels of 8 . Aerosols, inhalations, nasal rinses, as well as all kinds of nasal gels and drops were ineffective. I took a variety of medications, including antibiotics, pain relievers, and antacids with noticeable side effects.

I visited many specialists (ear-nose-throat specialist, allergist, stomatologist, cardiologist, neurologist, gastroenterologist, radiologist, homeopath). I underwent numerous blood tests and samples from the nose, mouth and throat. No diagnosis could be made for all my pains. Years passed and I continued to desperately search for the cause of the sharp deterioration in my health. I went every week to my city library where I reviewed many medical documents.

In 2013, 20 years later, I discovered an article that caught my attention. It was about nose operations called conchotomy / turbinectomy (a word I had never heard before). I was stunned. That same year, I consulted a new ENT specialist who confirmed that my symptoms, particularly secondary atrophic rhinitis , stemmed from my operations on the turbinates.

In 2015, I saw yet another ENT specialist who explained that I suffered from a phenomenon called paradoxical nasal congestion (too much air passing through my nose), which leads to a feeling of an empty nose and, after examining my CT scan from 2012, remarked that he "would have removed fewer turbinates".

Now my health continues to deteriorate. My breathing remains labored. My facial pain and discomfort affects me daily. What is also very troublesome for me is not the looks of others, that I give shit, but that they think that anorexia is the cause of my very great thinness.

Just talking makes me breathless and requires a lot of effort to regain my breath. I feel pressured and tired . The constant, throbbing pain that starts in my forehead and spreads all over the right side of my nose forces me to wear sunglasses, because my eyes can no longer tolerate the light.

I now rarely do my favorite pastime, reading, due to lack of concentration. I have never been able to accept that I had to give up my profession in 2003. I no longer drive . I have developed a phobia of microbes and viruses. I maintain strict hygiene measures.

However, I go for walks and swim at a moderate pace. I often remember my former time, when I was so dynamic, sporty, joyful, willing and unique, a time when I worked a lot.

I do not forget that, as far as I am concerned, it is a catastrophic medical error. I realized, far too late, that it was a pulmonologist, the only competent one, that I should have consulted after my illness in 1991 and not an ENT specialist.

In light of my irreparable injuries, I am helpless and dejected. I regret that I was let down by the doctor who changed my life. A new ENT specialist I recently consulted clarified to me that I suffer from what is defined as Empty Nose Syndrome.

My testimony is only intended to warn the public and urge them to think carefully before accepting such a surgical procedure. Sandrine J.

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Story by Priscilla Robert, who died on August 6, 2015 as a result of Empty Nose Syndrome . Published August 3, 2016, written by SNV

It all started in 2009. I had sinus infections that whole year. I was on sick leave and my doctor referred me to several specialists, including an allergist and an ophthalmologist, because I also had eye pain. It was discovered that I had asthma. Finally, my GP sent me to an ear, nose and throat specialist who determined that my turbinates were swollen. At first he said he would treat me with laser. In March, I consented to an operation where the turbinates were burned away.

Before I left the operating room the surgeon said I should be able to breathe better, but unfortunately that was not the case. Four weeks later, I again made an appointment with the ear-nose-throat specialist because, according to him, the situation was still not satisfactory.

He then suggested that I undergo a removal of the lower turbinates as well as a septoplasty to straighten the nasal septum. The operation was carried out in April and tampons were inserted. The day after the procedure, the tampons were removed and I had a small bleed in my left nostril. This time it was the nurse who said I should be able to breathe through my nose, but I still experienced a blockage. The pain in the nose was very intense and the headache was getting worse. I started having anxiety attacks, was very pale and was told to sit down. I had difficulty getting up, it felt like it was being pulled up over the top of my jaw , and I was really in a lot of pain. I was taken to the ER, but the ENT specialist who was called refused to see me.

For him, my condition had no connection to the operation carried out. When I left the hospital I could barely stand up. I ended up consulting another ENT specialist who refused to "move" after a colleague. I decided to go to Paris to get a third opinion.

I also underwent a sleep study which showed poor sleep, snoring and atrophic rhinitis. I was referred to a pain center, but I couldn't get there because I could no longer stand up, overwhelmed by fatigue.

Since 2011 I live a hell; I almost don't eat anymore and above all I don't sleep. I have no sense of smell, my nose is even more "clogged" than before the procedure, I can no longer exert myself. I am in constant hyperventilation and my nose is very dry.

I can't stand the cold anymore, it burns. It is very difficult to talk, I feel constant pressure from the nose to the forehead, as if someone is pressing down on my head. Lying down is a pain because I suffocate. I'm completely exhausted and depressed and I'm not seeing anyone anymore. It's not a life at my age, it's just not a life .

Since my surgery, my condition has deteriorated significantly. If I had been warned about the risks, I would never have accepted to have the operation. I have sought help from an association that gives me emotional support. I feel a little less alone and understood. This syndrome is a real disability, but it is not recognized... Why? I hope my testimony will prevent others from experiencing what I am going through now. The laser and concotomy of the turbinates have ruined my life . I was an active person, now I am stuck, half-sitting, condemned to suffer. A single ear-nose-throat specialist had the courage to say that the turbinates never grow back…

Priscilla Robert, passed away on August 6, 2015, as a result of Empty Nose Syndrome. Watch Priscilla's memorial video by following this link.

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Story by Françoise L. August 3, 2016, written by SNV

I am the president of the association SMNI (Stop aux mutilations nasales iatrogènes) and I suffer from Empty Nose Syndrome. Before I start my story, I want to make it clear that due to the consequences of endonasal surgery, I can no longer work. An ENT expert examination done in 2015 determined that I have a permanent disability of 50%, and the Maison Départementale Des Handicapés has assessed this disability as between 50 and 79%. I am an early retiree.

For seven years I have lived a veritable hell after endonasal surgery which has destroyed my nasal function and reduced me to a disabling condition, with no prospect of improvement or recovery.

I have had six operations which now cause severe, irreversible damage and I suffer from loss of the nasal cycle and paradoxical nasal obstruction (Empty Nose Syndrome), cicatricial fibrosis of the frontal sinuses and frontal recess, and my nasal valves no longer function. I have also been diagnosed with left nasal valve syndrome .

All this leads to constant fatigue , difficulty concentrating and remembering , sinus pain , facial pain and sensory disturbances , as well as extreme dryness of the nasal mucosa .

My nights have become problematic, non-restorative, with shallow sleep and constant awakenings due to pain. The nights are worse than the days with this unbearable feeling of asphyxia (lack of oxygen) feeling of nasal congestion, of not getting enough air and lack of oxygen. I'm on pain meds and have to take anti-anxiety meds and sleeping pills when I haven't slept or barely slept in three days.

My nose no longer works, I can't sneeze and it's impossible to get rid of the sticky, thick mucus that collects in the sinuses, causing inflammation and chronic sinusitis . My last analyzes showed a moderate lymphopenia, iron deficiency, and my doctor wrote on 21/08/2019 on the medical certificate MDA: "an asthenia and a worsening of my health outlook." My whole body is struggling, I am completely exhausted both physically and mentally.

2010: I complain of nasal congestion and facial pain on the left side, I have surgery for a meatotomy to remove an inflammatory polyp. I thought everything would get better after the surgery, but the pains got worse...

2011: New x-ray shows that more space is needed in the nose to reduce nasal congestion and pain: I undergo a bilateral ethmoidectomy with sphenoidotomy , and the surgeon performs a radical turbinectomy on my medial turbinates without first informing me or mentioning it in the operative report...

The results of the surgery are disastrous (unbearable headaches, I can barely bend my head and can't stand upright). I return to the surgeon who, despite my condition and x-rays confirming a blocked right frontal sinusitis, assures me that everything is normal and that it is post-op effects that are causing it. He writes to his neurologist colleague and claims that everything is normal and that my problems are not ENT related, and abandons me. (Deficits in emergency aid!!!)

A week later I have a seizure: fever, vomiting, my head feels like it's going to explode, my partner calls SOS doctor in a panic, my family doctor notes an extremely low blood pressure and orders a blood test that shows a CRP of 210 and urgently calls an ENT -colleague who notes that the naso-frontal canal is no longer permeable, that the frontal sinuses are infected and blocked, and the x-ray shows an infected frontal sinusitis.

I have surgery again four months later for restoration of ethmoidectomy, sphenoidotomy, septoplasty, Lemoyne nail and Balloon Sinusoplasty. The operative report notes synechiae, copious pus in the frontal sinus which is sent for bacteriological analysis. The infection is gone but the pain remains.

After all, I am trying to return to my professional life, but the fatigue, the facial pain, the sinus pain, the chronic insomnia are exhausting me. My nose is very dry, blocked, I don't get enough air and I notice that I am sensitive to temperature variations and weather changes. I can no longer sneeze, and excessive secretions block my nose.

I get irritated, depressed, anxious and withdrawn, it becomes unbearable. I visit all kinds of specialist doctors. I who was naturally jovial, dynamic, no longer recognize myself and separate from my partner. I am on sick leave and cannot resume my work, I start with a spa bath, without results. The pains are getting worse.

February 2013:
New x-ray, new surgery: Draf II to restore permeability of the naso-frontal canal** to open the blocked frontal sinus. After an improvement of two weeks, the pain returns.

July 2013:
The verdict is in, the ENT specialist announces that there was a diagnostic misjudgment, that my problem was not related to the sinuses but to the architecture, that the frontal sinuses are fibrotic, the right frontal sinus is completely blocked and that there is also a collapse of left internal valve. Concerned about cranial complications, he sends me to two distinguished professors who specialize in neurosurgery and complex ENT pathology.

I see Professor X. After examination, x-ray and a complete rhinomanometry, he confirms the diagnosis and adds that there is also a frontal septum luxation and a lower left deviation, so he suggests a fifth operation: the Lobtrop technique (ie removal of the right frontal sinus through a bicoronal access, filled with bone powder, and in addition a reparative surgery of the left nose).

I am canceling the planned surgery due to fear of the consequences. Professor X cannot guarantee success and admits that I will never regain normal nasal function and that all my symptoms will not disappear.. .

February 2014:
Unable to resume work, I am dismissed "for physical incapacity". The occupational physician admits a serious disability related to the consequences of endonasal surgery. Six months later, the Maison Départementale des Handicapés assigns me the status of disabled worker, and I undergo an ENT expert examination, which then assesses my permanent disability as between 25 and 30%.

The ENT report notes: "The presence of a fibrotic blockage closing the right naso-frontal canal, a polyp blocking the anterior cells on the left and closing the left naso-frontal canal, one can imagine an Empty Nose Syndrome although the inferior turbinates are normal."

X-ray shows: "traces (ie sequelae) of meatotomy, turbinectomy and bilateral ethmoidectomy and a filling of the frontal sinuses."

July 2015:
Thanks to my status as a disabled worker, I am trying to return to a part-time job of 20 hours, but the pain prevents me from continuing. My boss writes that "my health" was not compatible with the requested schedule: 20 hours per week

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